sex strike

About the GTOW Sex Strike: "Radmenz" Who Fail to Study "Radfems" Mistakes Are Bound to Repeat Them

Wed, 2011-06-15 15:44

One of the more frustrating things about the "radmenz" movement is their ongoing convergence with "radfems." "Radfem" separatists cooked up "the sex strike," which was supposed to bring men to our knees a la Aristophanes'sLysistratda. And since, contrary to popular belief, most "radfem "sex-strikers weren't and aren't lesbians and were thus pretty impatient to get the thing over with they were if anything even more aggravated with women who wouldn't go along with the strike than they were with men themselves.

Turns out "radmenz" separatists have cooked up their own notion of a "sex strike." Only instead of withholding sex till which is fine for the minority who are gay or asexual but no more fun for hetero male separatists than it was for hetero female separatists. And consequently they're just as over-the-top annoyed with men who "break the strike." David Futrelle, who links to "radmenz" sites so I don't have to, quotes one very angry gentleman who

The reason I believe women get away with exorbitant prices (associated risks) for pussy is the existing demand, which sustains the price and favors similar conditions for each subsequent iteration of the trade. …  I fail to understand how catering to a woman’s skewed entitlement and grandiose sense of self-worth (telling her lies, buying her things for sex, investing more time in entertaining her than in actual sex … etc) can ever be helpful or instrumental to bring the market price (risks and costs) of pussy down.

Source: Man Boobz

What. Ever.

What's particularly... well... striking about both the "radfem" and "radmenz" notions of the sex strike is the complete investment in the disgraceful transactional model of hetero sex. I'm sure both sides will say I'm being unfair, which I don't mind since I think their respective enterprises are based on fundamental misunderstandings of... just about everything about human nature. But "radfems" basically believe that if women just withhold sex men will do whatever it is they want, whereas "radmenz" believe if they stop "paying" for sex women will do... whatever it is they want.

Of course an even better approach might be to overturn the whole fucking fetish for transactional sex in the first place. But hey, 40-odd years of "the sex strike" hasn't moved the needle for "radfems" compared to the entirely more reasonable approach of feminists who challenge the transactional model, and so there's no reason to imagine that "radmenz" will move the needle any further the other way.

Hint: I think the idea of a "sex strike" worked a whole lot better back when everyone still believed masturbation made you go blind.

Rad Convergence: "Radfems" and Rad-Menz Agree a "Sex Strike" Would Force Their Respective "Enemies" to Surrender

Mon, 2011-05-23 15:35

David Futrelle, who follows the heart of modern men's rights activism so that we don't have to, has some actually-pretty-nifty evidence that, no, really, these aren't all your father's generation's MRAs. Taking a page from "radfem" holdovers from the 1970s, the new generation is proposing...

A sex strike! Except with penises!

He quotes one anonymous young man at a site (no link) called Omega Virgin Revolt:

Men have so much power that they literally give it away…  [by] chasing tail. Biological impulses my ass. Humans have this thing called the ability to think and the power to choose. It’s why we are at the top of the food chain yet there are much larger and stronger creatures that exist. Apply that to women and sex as well. If [men would] go on a sex strike like the MRM should have [done] as one of it’s primary objectives...

Source: Man Boobz

Even better, the guy actually agrees with the Twisty Faster "radfem" amen chorus!

Who in their right mind thinks that fraternizing is going to get them anywhere? First off it makes men in general look like … out of control [scum] who only want sex and gives women even more reason to view us all like that. Well I myself am not manipulated by sex and once men get to that point, women simply can’t overcome that. And you know why? Because they have to bring something else besides it which many unfortunately don’t comprehend.

The good news is that while more numerous than "radfems," these separatist "rad-menz," and even regular dues-paying MRAs, aren't really a very significant demographic.

You might think the bad news would be that "radfems" and rad-menz might get together and breed. Well, obviously not actually breed, but, you know, metaphorically. More like put their heads together, really. But in a way it would be pretty perfect if they did -- despite their frequent heterosexuality they're so alike in their rejection of heterosexuality that they could actually get along on a relationship basis. And conversely they're each so awesomely different from their respective side's stereotypes of the opposite gender that contact with each other might actually help them wind each other and themselves down off the hyperbolic ledges they seem so bent on standing out on.

What Twisty Means By "The Revolution," Fine by Me Except for One Footnote

Sat, 2009-10-03 21:43

Jill of I Blame The Patriarchy says

a femininity work-stoppage would necessitate: misogyny, sex**, marriage, reproduction, nuclear familyism, child-rearing and other unpaid labor, attractiveness, head-tilting and other submissive affectations, fashion, glowing skin, letting disaffected musician boyfriends mooch off you, hot girl-on-mop action, etc.

...

  • Sex could be reinstated as soon as the consent thing described above got carved in stone.

Read the quote in context here.

Good to know.

I don’t know enough about different revolutionary theories to presume, but since I know she was heavily influenced by Shulamuth Firestone I was wondering the other day if Jill was holding out for Firestone’s 60’s-era’s fascination with privileged-college-student version of Marxism. Which is only a little embarrassing compared to her now even more obsolete Freudian stuff, but also nowhere near as valuable as her articulate, fresh and (for me anyway) plausible and compelling vision of what a gender free society would look like.

I still think the (non-Firestone) idea of a straight-up sex strike would be dumb and I think I can finally explain why. And I think I’ve mentioned before that in the face of a strike the chances are higher than ever before that men would just switch to sex with themselves, each other, or inanimate appliances.

I’ve also mentioned that the idea of using sex for leverage is as deeply patriarchal as it gets, with the perverse effect that whereas individual men might notice and/or be unhappy Patriarchy itself would be on it’s knees whispering “please, please, yes, let this work!” Which makes Jill’s “...could be reinstated as soon a…” footnote not just dubious but ominous. Whether she meant it that way or not, without overturning the dominant paradigm a “successful” resumption of (hetero) sex would be perceived by too many strikers and strikees as an affirmation of sex as transactional.

This is just my opinion but if I were designing a patriarchy-smashing strike I’d probably advocate refusing to either offer or engage in transactional sex. Which no matter how “consensual” and no matter how gently or genteely conducted is and always will be hard to distinguish from rape. And therefore shouldn’t be resumed even after a revolution. (And no, duh, I’m not talking about going back to that pre-Dworkin Polanski-era “sexual revolution” crap where hetero sex was still absolutely transactional but the cost for men was supposed to be at or near zero and where women were “empowered” to say yes but not yet empowered to say no.)

A lot of the other stuff Jill mentions, like familyism and unpaid domestic labor (which, incidentally, is just more fallout from the whole notion of hetero marriage as a particularly elaborate sexual transaction), would also obviously follow from rejecting sex as transactional. Same with all the other submissive affectations she mentions which are, after all, based on the idea that men are doing the paying so they should be treated with the respect employees are supposed to give their employers and vendors are supposed to show their customers.

Incidentally, clarifying the notion that it the problem is transactional sex — something women might do willingly or even enthusiastically but “ideally” must do regardless — would put a huge dent in the whole feminists hate sex business. Far as I can tell most feminists, being human beings and all, rather enjoy sex. But being human beings and all they just don’t like the idea that you shouldn’t do it unless you’re trading something for it. I think it would also make feminism a little more accessible to women who say stuff like “I’m not a feminist but…” because they like sex but heard somewhere that feminists aren’t supposed to.

User login