Hugo Schwyzer takes conservative nepotism beneficiary Jonah Goldberg to task for arguing that women should be given a little more power in “backwards” cultures. You’d think that would be a good thing but Goldberg’s arguing only that women should have only enough power to be more effective “gatekeepers.” (Emphasis mine.)
Jonah concludes his piece … with this gem:
“Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands will allow. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and “Lord of the Flies” logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.”
Give Jonah credit. He’s not blaming women directly for their failure to civilize men. Rather, he’s blaming certain cultures that fail to give women sufficient authority with which to do their civilizing. But that doesn’t change the basic problem in his argument, based as it is on pseudo-science, Victorian sentimentality about women’s “nature”, and a William Golding novel about pre-pubescent boys.
Goldberg says “Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands will allow.”
Which would be… Goldberg, a man, setting expectations for male behavior. Very low expectations, sure, but not ones set by women.
Which is, of course, the nice little trap men like Goldberg want to set for us: expect to be able to indulge your more infantile and/or animal impulses; then either blame women letting us live up to the expectations we ourselves set, or else resenting women for using sexual access (the only leverage we permit them to have) in order to get us to act like actual adult men. The minor “upside” for anti-feminists like Goldberg is that men are absolved of all responsibility for, well, responsibility. The infinitely larger downside is that women are expected to have all the responsibility but none of the authority (we just call them “bitches” when they try to make us do the task Goldberg assigns them.) The end result isn’t even zero sum, it’s negative sum: grown men and women are reduced to Cathi Hanauer’s acute phrases The Bitch in the House and The Bastard on the Couch
Quick question for Goldberg: what does he imagine, say, Aristotle, or Augustine, or, Confucius or, I dunno, Maimonides, or even Tolstoy would think of his assertion that women are a civilizing influence on men? I happen to think all those gentlemen were dead wrong to believe men are uniquely moral and civilizing compared to women. But Goldberg and his desperately anti-feminist ilk just as wrong to imagine their fantasy of essential gendered women’s morality is any more real.
Another quick question: Goldberg, like Satoshi Kanazawa and millions of other anti-feminists, believes women’s magic lady part… and their “power” to withhold it... are the only thing that civilizes men. To which I’ll just rephrase Holly’s observation: Does that all those gay artists and writers and politicians and freakin’ gay fry cooks for that matter never get around to contributing to society because they’re way too busy not withholding sex from each other?
In fact we men set expectations all the time. In fact the whole idea that women don’t have anything better to do with their own sexuality than to use it to manipulate men’s behavior (coughno-sex classcough) is a completely male expectation.
Screw Goldberg and the coin-operated horsie he rode up on. I expect better of him.
Well this is just amazingly, self-defeatingly dumb! While thoroughly shredding the International Olympic Committee’s determined resistance to letting women ski-jumpers compete (current record-holder on the main ski jump in Vancouver? Lindsey Van) Angry Mouse of Daily Kos unearths the following rationalization from David Whitley at a website called Fanhouse. Here’s Angry Mouse’s quote of Whitley
...once girls start performing as well as boys — or better — it’s not even a sport anymore. Just look at what women have done to bowling!
[Fred] Barnes was beaten by a woman, giving him immediate entry into history’s Male Ridicule Club.
How could a guy lose to a girl in an athletic event?
Simple, really.
Bowling isn’t an athletic event.
Rule No. 1 in determining whether an activity is a sport: If the best female in the world can beat the best male in the world, it doesn’t qualify.
We’ll leave aside the whole daring provocateur trope so common in “journalism” (remember, all publicity = good publicity, thus no direct link to Whitley’s post from here.) Instead let’s examine the question in the context of other, similar “last stand” sort of claims.
If you ever had to read Karl Marx (along with Paul Samuelson and Milton Friedman in a freshman survey course, as I did) then you may dimly recall (as I do) the story of a skilled laborer bragging to an industrialist that while he might be able to invent a machine for turning axe-handles on a lathe he’d never invent one that could turn rifle stocks as quickly or accurately as a skilled human. The industrialist quickly rose to the challenge and the lathe operator lost his job… as did, no doubt, every other lathe operator in the factory. This version of the “man can not be beaten by…” wasn’t very durable.
If you ever had to take a combined computability and cognition in the 1980s, as I did, you may dimly recall (as I do) the informed assertions and alleged proofs that a computer could never beat a human grandmaster at chess. That took a little longer to build Deep Blue, which beat Gary Kasparov in the 20th Century than it took the industrialist to beat the lathe operator in the 19th, but down Kasparov went. This version of the “man can not be beaten by…” was only slightly more durable.
If you had to read a newspaper almost any time in the 19th, 20th, or 21st Centuries you may vividly recall the assertion that not only are humans not a product of evolution but evolution itself never happens and indeed isn’t possible. This latter one seems like a pretty durable argument, but more because it’s pretty passionately held than because the accumulation of evidence hasn’t been drawing the circle of denial tighter, and tighter, and tighter. (Same, by the way, for the even loopier notion that the earth is only 6,000 to 10,000 years old.)
And now this “It’s not a sport of a woman can beat a man at it” business.
The problem with each of these assertions is that they diminish those who resist far more than they do their challengers.
Care to go on? Speaking of the Olympics, Adolph Hitler and his minions were diminished when Cornelius Cooper Johnson one the gold medal for the high jump in Munich. And goodness knows the tobacco companies were diminished (to the tune of half a trillion $!#%!@#% dollars) when their efforts to “prove” cigarettes are harmless finally failed. (Surely a fraction of that money would have been better spent developing a variety that was either not addictive or else not carcinogenic or preferably both.) And don’t forget the loopy, and sometimes still-prevalent notion that women are “naturally nurturing” and therefore ought to be consigned to all child-rearing duties during, and in the event of divorce, after marriage.
As far as I can tell (weather conditions — heat, snow, wind seem to alter where people start their jumps) the actual Olympic contenders this week mostly handily beat Lindsay Van’s earlier record on the hill. But many did not. For instance she finished ahead of most or all the men on the American team. Which, I guess, in David Whitley’s interesting logic means that ski-jumping is a sport for some men… but not the American ones who’s best wasn’t as good as Van’s.
Which is of course stupid. Again, the false premise driving his logic demeans and diminishes everyone.
Jezebel of Evil Slutopia quotes right-wing troll Glenn Beck who, after deciding it’s not enough to slander his own partner, three daughters, plus the remaining 51% of the population decides to slander men as well. (Their source is from Beck and a colleague discussing Scott Brown’s victory speech.)
GLENN: Guys you can figure out: Food, sex. That’s it.
STU: Two step process.
GLENN: It really is. Feed me, make love to me, let me sleep.
STU: Sleep, yeah. That would be the third, sleep.
GLENN: Come on.
STU: That’s pretty much the bottom line.
Actually, technically, what Beck and his broadcast partner are doing is setting an expectation for men: anything besides sex and food should be irrelevant to us or, being a little more specific, everything else a man might want should be secondary. Dispensable. Defer-able.
Note also the expectations he sets: the main things men need “Feed me, make love to me” must be given to him. He can’t do them himself!
Given by or… maybe with a diamond, maybe with a couple of roofies… gotten from someone.
And given Beck’s presumption that all men are heterosexual who, exactly, is he expecting to “feed me, make love to me, let me sleep?” Women, or as he puts it, “psychos.” Who just don’t understand that all they should bother men with are feeding him, fucking him, and letting him sleep.
Yeah, that would make me psycho too. I fear for his little girls. Not because he’ll expect them to feed him and fuck him. But because he’s saying he’ll give them absolutely no support… and just tell them they’re psychos… if when they’re older they want more from a partner than someone to feed or fuck to sleep.
Listen, flipping male flatworms want more out of life than food and sex and all they’ve got is primitive notochords, but Beck is adamant that’s all men want?
Round-y side of the spoon down when you try to eat soup, dude.
By the way, you know who I think is going to be more sad about Mary Daly’s passing than anyone in feminism or on the left? Rush Limbaugh. In the last 30 years he’s made on the order of billions of dollars tarring all of feminism with her supremacist, separatist spew. When he said “feminazi” he meant her and a very small handful of people like her.
This is not to say Rush Limbaugh was her responsibility — if it hadn’t been her he’d have picked someone or something else to demonize. But she believed largely what he accused her of believing. Advocated largely what he accused her of advocating. And he called that all of feminism. Nor, since she agreed, would she have disputed it. She, in turn, would have been able to point to Rush Limbaugh and say look how he proves my point about men. And of course Limbaugh would gloatingly agree as well.
Even though both were wrong it’s been in both their interests to maintain the fiction that everyone who disagreed with them were wimps, sellouts, or dupes and agents of their opponents. At the expense of many other kinds of feminism.
When you see a million grown men rolling their eyes and wetting their pants about “teh femininiminists” I think Daly had something to do with that. When you see a million grown women saying “I’m not a feminist but…” or “I’m a feminist but…” or, especially “feminism doesn’t speak for me.” I think Daly was a big part of that too.
And yeah, maybe that’s a little harsh. Fine. She’s the one who, as an individual, thought her would would be a better place if I, and half my children, as a class were “decontaminated” from the Earth. So I, as an individual, am sincerely sorry she’s passed away. As I would have been sincerely sorry had Rush Limbaugh passed away during his recent health crisis. I just as sincerely hope that, having passed away, their particular assumptions, ideas, and dreams of world transformation pass away with them.
Well that was pretty quick. Melissa McEwen at Shakesville posted the late Mary Daly’s popular “origin of the word sin” quote by way of eulogy an early feminist icon. And, despite multiple apologies, promptly got threadjacked by accusations of transphobia. Enough so that another blogger at the site closed comments on the post.
The bone of contention being Daly’s evident transphobia. Which isn’t terribly widely know — little-known enough, for instance, to have caught the generally hyper-inclusive McEwen off guard.
If I have the main 70’s era categories of feminism that would have been current in Daly’s ascendancy she was a gender essentialist and not a gender equalitarian. That essentialism was a pretty big deal and one that, I’m pretty sure, is pretty incompatible with sympathy for the transsexual and transgendered.
Yes, you might argue, perfectly reasonably as many trans people do, that the real “essence” of one’s sex is determined by identity and not chromosomes. But that’s not going to carry a lot of weight with anyone who believes that, say, by its very nature the Y chromosome is irretrievably degenerate or that the planet needs to be “decontaminated” of individuals with that defect.
With that understanding transphobia is 100% consistent with gender essentialism. Racism and genocide would be consistent with antagonism towards gender equalitarianism. To an essentialist like Daly a man using plastic surgery and testosterone suppressing drugs to “pass” as a woman would be as viscerally offensive as a person of color using plastic surgery and melanin-suppressing drugs to “pass” as white would be to David Duke
That said, regardless of her motivation for analyzing the gendered status quo one can still learn from her analysis of its structure and flaws. Enough so to say she was a significant figure in gender politics independent of her essentialism. You might not want to touch most of her proposed solutions with a 10-foot pole, but one can learn from her analysis. And draw one’s own, non-essentialist, non-exclusivist conclusions.
Summary: Speculation about the peculiar gaps in application of sexualized slander against highly-visible women. With a quick allusion in a note at the end about the soft underbelly of privilege.
Quote of the day (ok, from sometime last week) from Echidne of the Snakes:
It’s nearly impossible to separate Sarah-Palin-hating from Sarah-Palin-as-female-hating, and that offers a nice opening for any closeted misogynist to exercise his or her inner demons without getting caught doing it. Ultimately the whole topic turns into free-for-all about tits and power and shit, and the only valid conclusion is that we are far from an equal world when it comes to getting and using political power.
She says the no-win-edness of the situation makes it not worth blogging about.
I’ll just say it’s worth pointing out that you could pretty much replace “Sarah Palin” in the line above and replace it with, oh, many but not all highly-visible and/or controversial women politicians and pundits (Hillary Clinton anyone? Ann Coulter? Carrie Prejean? Janet Reno? Even Anita Bryant back in the 1970s.)
Funny thing, by the way, that gets me as I look at the list is it’s not so much the person’s looks (for instance Condoleezza Rice is conventionally attractive but rarely targeted) or their degree of partisanship (For instance “Dr. Laura” and Rachel Maddow tend to be more partisan than average but rarely targeted.)
Instead I think it’s most likely to happen when women step into new domains: homophobia in Prejean or Bryant’s case, law enforcement in Reno’s case. Activist First-Lady in Clinton’s case. Conservative firebrand in Coulter’s case. And, annoyingly, technology in the case of… pretty much every woman who’s ventured into technology. Indicative example: I seem to remember that Ariana Huffington caught quite a lot of sex-baiting when in the Clinton-activist-first-lady role with hapless former husband Michael’s arch-conservative Senatorial bid in California, but since returning to her “proper-role-for-a-woman” location in progressive politics I just haven’t seen that much sex-baiting. Even though she’s conventionally attractive, politically powerful, and reliably highly partisan. And even though her Huffington Post has a huge on-line presence I think she escapes the fate of women in technology by appearing as a media personality rather than appearing to grapple directly with technology.
All of which is poorly-informed speculation offered to support a third alternative to Echidne’s dilemma: it’s not that women are hated per-se, it’s that they’re particularly hated, in highly gendered ways, when they encroach on traditionally male turf.
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Note to self: If I have time I’ll try and post about why this rabid, sexualized reaction by (mostly) men to women’s encroachment demonstrates the freakish self-loathing and insecurity that is the flip side of (intrinsically un-earnable and thus always unearned) male privilege. And if I have time I’ll compare it to the “tough guy” conservative tendency to absolutely wet their pants at the prospect of 9/11 terrorists being tried in New York City or imprisoned on on U.S. soil even in SuperMax-security prisons. I might not have time, though, but I want to note the possibility.
Yesterday I mentioned a post by Fran Langum at Blue Gal about some of the absurdities that can arise when economists try their hand at pop-referencing prostitution. Fran mentioned that Echidne of the Snakes had taken a more serious look at the issue, and since Echidne’s a giant walking brain cell I took a more light-hearted approach.
Later I read Echidne’s post and confirmed that, yup, she tidily unmasts some of the pillars of the pop-reference approach. The whole thing’s a good read but I’d like to highlight one particular point. After quoting the authors of Superfreakonomics, Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner’s Times Online column (from the Times entertainment section!) she digs in:
“Why has the prostitute’s wage fallen so far [in the last 100 years, with demand falling 80% as well]? Because demand has fallen dramatically. Not the demand for sex. That is still robust. But prostitution, like any industry, is vulnerable to competition.”
That competition, dear ladies, is you giving it out for free! So let’s return to the beginning of that quote: “ Since time immemorial and all over the world, men have wanted more sex than they could get for free. So what inevitably emerges is a supply of women who, for the right price, are willing to satisfy this demand. But what is the right price?”
So why would the supply of “free” sex have risen? What is so different from the new generation of women,eh? Are they rather stupid, not to realize that you’d make more by charging for fucking? Or let’s put it in reverse: Why was the supply of “free” sex so much less in the past?
Levitt and Dubner don’t seem to answer these questions for us (at least in the above excerpt I found). But they are very important questions, after all, and their answers have something to do with the way societies punished women who “supplied” “free” sex. You can still get stoned for it in a few places on earth.
By not answering these questions Levitt and Dubner make it sound as if men would always want more sex than they can get “freely”, whatever the societal setup. Yet the amount they appear to get has risen over time, and in theory, at least, it’s possible to imagine a society where the “supply” of “free” sex would be enough to cause the prostitution markets to die out.
Cool huh? If men’s “hard-wired” drive for sex really was insatiable then it wouldn’t matter how many women wrested their own sexual autonomy from social and familial control in order to have it when they wished because it would never be enough: there would still be as many prostitutes and they’d still be as busy as ever. And yet…
Y’know, given that so much of society is organized around the principle that men are biologically sexually insatiable and that women are sexually inadequate it’s kind of shocking to see the whole notion undermined in just a few paragraphs of a research paper.
What’s more shocking, however, is the durability of the ideas about insatiability and inadequacy even in the face of considerable evidence.
What’s even more shocking is the fucking authors themselves are so invested in the idea they don’t see its refutation in their own work!
That’s some powerful paradigm! Um, “no-sex” class much?
Fran Langum of Blue Gal raises one of those points that frustrate the dickens out of transactional traditional-values types (emphasis mine)
I came across this LA Times article about a plastic made in China gadget which allows a woman to “fake” virginity, presumably on her wedding night. It’s got jockstraps-in-a-twist for the double-standard bearers of the right wing Islamic world.
And no where in the debate is the sense that women are supposed to enjoy themselves sexually either before or after marriage. We don’t hear from the female sex partners, to put the term most generically, of Ensign, Sanford, Vitter, and even Letterman as to whether or not they enjoyed the sex.
Well certainly not! The no-sex class paradigm’s Rule of Desire #1 says it’s simultaneously intolerable and inconceivable for a woman to have sexual desire. In a system where heterosexual sex is supposed to be transactional (i.e. men get sex and women get security, love, support, gifts, money, not getting beaten up, etc in exchange) it would be totally inconvenient if women enjoyed the actual sex part of sex! That would be like a dollar bill suddenly having a say in where it was spent.
(Sheesh, Cosmopolitan writers and editors get the Two Rules of Desire 100% right 100% of the time and they’re morons! So how hard can it be? But I digress…)
Twisting the knife on no-sex class cultural assumptions Blue Gal passes along the following little joke that’s made the rounds.
Q: What did the prostitute do for David Vitter that his wife wouldn’t?
A. Everything.
Ha. Ha-ha-ha! You see… he’d already done the wedding-ring transaction, see, and he’d gotten in trouble with her before about some sort of sexual peccadillos, see, which means that even if she had been interested in sex (which would be intolerable and inconceivable) she’d be off the hook for sex. Get it? See, and even if she was still on the hook she’d still withhold sex to punish him. Got it? No, see, prostitutes do things human women won’t because they’re paid to. Or, even better, because they’re coerced! Because, see, even prostitutes — and you know they’re all women! — wouldn’t do it if they either a) weren’t force into it or b) weren’t so greedy and avaricious they were willing to hold their noses and do it for mon… are you paying attention? This is serious! Because you won’t get that it’s funny!
Sheesh, Maxim writers and editors get jokes like that 100% right 100% of the time and they’re morons! So how hard can it be? But I digress…
Getting back to Fran’s original question, inside the dominant paradigm it’s in incredibly bad taste to ask whether Vitter’s, Letterman’s or anyone else’s partners enjoyed sex with them. Just identifying them as having had sex (marred or not, willingly or not, whether they enjoyed it or not) would rob them of the opportunity to use one of those plastic virginity things from China with male partner so he could at least pretend he was getting something of value. Even to suggest they might have enjoyed it would further reduce the exchange value of their sexuality. Inside the dominant paradigm to identify one of the partners at all could still (literally in some cultures) destroy her.
(Yes, outside the dominant paradigm there are matters of sexual harassment by employers, general and not just sexual rights to privacy, and whether there was choice in the matter. There’s also the little matter of professional stigma where career advancement based on merit can tarnished by assumptions about favoritism and/or compensation for sexual behavior. And outside it there’s even a perfectly non-controversial presumption that, y’know, to the extent they were grownups who decided to have sex then yeah, they probably enjoyed themselves. But inside it that’s just crazy talk.)
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There are a lot of other really good points in Fran’s post. She tackles some disturbing public perceptions about the agency of Britney Spears and her younger sister and of men who feel entitled to have sex with them. She raises the issue of what she calls the orgasm gap — the time, sometimes years, between when women first have intercourse and when they have their first (possibly non-solo) orgasms. Go check it out.
Melissa Gira Grant left a comment at Geek Feminism Blog about proposed guidelines to mitigate the seriously painful practice of men in tech “sexing up” dull presentations with… um… call it sexual-assumption-laden references or images of women. The problem being, as is often the case, the difficulty of distinguishing twittery vs. substance. Melissa lays it out nicely, and hits exactly the crux of the problem (emphasis mine.)
I think I get the thinking around these guidelines — and the totally male-dominated conference circuit that needs to hear this sort of guidance — but I just am stuck on this:
How do we keep guys (or anyone) from non-sensically using sexual or sexualized imagery and language in their presentations and preserve the right of people to use that information when it’s actually really, really what the presentation concerns?
This might be beyond the scope of these guidelines, but I am thinking back to the first BlogHer, during a “Birds of a Feather” session organized by self-identified mommybloggers, who were irritated that when they discussed the biological particulars of childbirth and childrearing, they were told they were being unprofessional, NSFW, or “overshare-y” — or, obscene.
It’s hard to address intent in this stuff. And I don’t want to sit through anymore stuffed-shirted dude “presos” on boring web marketing that just have some naked women sprinkled throughout to “sex things up” — because usually, those are the same dudes who don’t actually want to hear women talk honestly about sex, either.
Read the quote and follow links to the original sources here.
I think that’s about right. The problem isn’t the guidelines themselves. Or perhaps more accurately the problem isn’t insufficiently fine-grained guidelines. The problem is subsets of participants for whom the notion of the objects of their desire as biological human beings is both figuratively and literally TMI.
I’m emphasizing the notion of alienation from biological reality because, as this FAQ from Gender Shouldn’t Matter (also via Geek Feminism) demonstrates by reference that men are actually perfectly capable of acknowledging women as intellectual peers… under, um, certain conditions.
[Q] Free Software communities are meritocracies. Aren’t your recommendations purely discriminative?
[A] Everyone likes a true meritocracy. A community fails to achieve it, however, whenever female members resort to hiding behind male usernames.
The conditions being, um, when they don’t realize the intellectual peers they’re interacting with are biological women. Which, again, makes it a twits vs. substance issue — twittish sexual ideals (“it’s just harmless fun,” “we’re all men here,” “eww, you’re feeding babies with those things?!?!?!”) vs the corporeal, biological substance of those peers.
And, sigh, the problem in this case isn’t solvable by the standard 1st Amendment “the answer to bad images is more bad images.” (Although one imagines the rhetorical impact of PowerPointing a Wikipedia-derived photos of micro-penises into the graph at Gender Shouldn’t Matter as “just a light-hearted illustration” of the small face-to-face participation of women in Free/Open-Source Software venues as a response to the highly influential developers who angrily deny the women’s breasts they present in their own graphs might be objectionable.)
Instead it’s going to take something closer to confrontation. And possibly intervention. And it’s going to be a tricky intervention not so much because you have to overcome resistance (though there’s plenty of that) but because you also have to overcome this conception of the role of women in tech as not only things-not-people but as unapproachable/unachievable things.
Which, sad to say, is just an exaggerated version of the mainstream vision of women. Which is yet another consequence, of course, of the vision of sex as transactional.
Via Latoya Peterson at Jezebel comes a fascinating paragraph from Newsweek’s Jessica Bennett
The mystery of why women have sex, and what they want out of it, has long been an elusive study-something even Sigmund Freud called “the great question.” Researchers have historically theorized that women’s motives lie in love and commitment, while newer studies have shown they do it for pleasure, just like men. But women are complicated creatures: their sexual health is determined as much by their emotions as by their physical state, which might help explain why as many as 50 percent of women have trouble getting aroused. Yet while scientists, in recent years, have labored over the “how” of female desire, no major study, until now, has actually asked women to describe why they have sex in the first place.
Anyway, this is a little tough, what with me not being a woman and thus not being a “complicated creature” and all but… um… women aren’t creatures?
And WTF with the implication that it’s unusual for emotions determining sexual health? This might be because Bennett isn’t a man and thus falls for the notion that we’re simple “creatures” but… um… yeah.
For the record she’s talking about Meston and Buss’s “Why Women Have Sex,” discussed in detail here. And as I mentioned, the book appears to be based on a study the authors did of both women and men in 2007. And as I discussed in the book the top reasons for both men and women looked like this
| Women | Men | |
1 |
I was attracted to the person | I was attracted to the person |
2 |
I wanted to experience the physical |
It feels good |
3 |
It feels good | I wanted to experience the physical pleasure |
4 |
I wanted to show my affection to the person |
It’s fun |
5 |
I wanted to express my love for the person |
I wanted to show my affection to the person |
6 |
I was sexually aroused and wanted the release |
I was sexually aroused and wanted the release |
7 |
I was ‘‘horny’‘ | I was ‘‘horny’‘ |
8 |
It’s fun | I wanted to express my love for the person |
9 |
I realized I was in love | I wanted to achieve an orgasm. |
10 |
I was ‘‘in the heat of the moment’‘ | I wanted to please my partner |
11 |
I wanted to please my partner |
The person’s physical appearance turned me on |
12 |
I desired emotional closeness (i.e., intimacy) |
I wanted the pure pleasure |
13 |
I wanted the pure pleasure | I was ‘‘in the heat of the moment’‘ |
14 |
I wanted to achieve an orgasm | I desired emotional closeness (i.e., intimacy) |
15 |
It’s exciting, adventurous | It’s exciting, adventurous |
Source: Arch Sex Behav (2007) 36:477-507, pg. 481 Update: Link to Meston and Buss’s original study (pdf)
Staggeringly different, eh? Oh wait!
We “know” women’s sexuality is complicated, and that men’s isn’t. Which makes Meston and Buss’s decision to exclude from the book their own data on men extraordinarily cynical.
It’ll probably be a best seller.