sexual assumptions

The No-Sex Class and Differential Sexual Satisfaction For Elderly Men vs. Elderly Women

Echidne of the Snakes had to dig, and dig, and dig through pop reports all talking about the “biological” inevitability behind a new study that suggests elderly men are more interested in sex than elderly women.

One complicating factor that’s mentioned by the lead investigator but not so much by the breathlessly gender-confident reporting?

One reason why older women are less sexually active than men may be because they don’t have a partner, or because their partner is no longer healthy enough to have sex. “Women outlive their marriages and their relationships,” Dr. Lindau says.

She and her colleagues found that as women aged, they were far less likely than men to be married or living with a partner. In one of the surveys the authors used, just 58% of the women ages 65 to 74 had a partner, compared to 79% of men in the same age bracket. Among 75- to 85-year-olds, 72% of men still had a partner, compared to just 39% of women.

Lindau said it here.

If you’re a woman between maybe 40 and 50, with a male partner over maybe 45-55, raise your hand if your partner’s health, his libido, or both allows him to keep up with your libido? (I’m not saying everybody’s in that boat but… it’s a fairly common lament of partners of older men.)

What makes this particularly funny, in a not-so-funny way, is all the “happy tradeoff” lead sentences Echidne tracks down where in reporters smirk stuff like “Women may live longer, but it appears men are more likely to go out with a smile” and “Men have shorter life spans than women on average, but when it comes to sexual life expectancy, the guys have the advantage.” (Um, “advantage?” fuck you, dudes?!?!)

Oh wait, and look, here’s a nifty, but related “advantage” that’s not going to show up so often in the popular press, again from Dr. Lindau.

When women did have a partner, they were almost as likely as their male counterparts to be sexually active, although they tended to give their sex lives lower marks than men did. In every age group included in the surveys, a smaller percentage of women than men described their sex life as “good” overall.

Read the quote in context here.

As Echidne says “Women tend to have older husbands and the ill health of their husbands could well be one of the reasons for not much sex even in intact relationships.” Yup. Funny how blood-pressure medications, prostate problems, and even bad backs, hips, and knees can take the, um, wind of of a fella’s sails. And, again, funny how demoralized even the most enthusiastically consenting adult can become when sex requires not only candle light and slow dancing but also… repeat trips to the bathroom, penis-pumps, and other erectile interventions.

If you or your partner still have it — and not all men lose it — that’s great. But with even the most attentive partner in the world the disappointment levels are likely to be lower. And while I’m not positive, it might be particularly wearing on both older women and older men if they grew up back when heteros expected that men would take the lead in sex, and do nearly all the work as well.

Another little tidbit Echidne mentions:

I should also tell you that this study defined sex as heterosexual activity with someone else. People not engaged in heterosexual activity were not included (which the researcher would have liked to have changed) and neither was masturbation counted. Only heterosexual activity with someone else. That’s worth repeating, because the quality of that sex does also depend on that “someone else.”

Echidne says it here.

One final thing, something Echidne doesn’t mention but I’ve noticed that pulls the above snippets into a common thread. Even today, but certainly in the past, “interest in sex” was men’s domain. Consequently, as I mentioned in my first real post about the no-sex class paradigm (The limits of “no means no”), men grow up expecting to be interested in sex when they’re interested in sex, with the happy (for them) consequence that when we’re not interested in sex we… pretty much don’t notice. Whereas if our partner isn’t interested in sex we do. Meanwhile women are expected to notice when their partners are interested in sex, yes, but… that pesky no-sex class paradigm, with it’s bogus Two Rules of Desire, leads men to imaging women don’t notice when their partner’s aren’t interested.

See the trick? A man can be interested in sex only once a year. But! If he has sex once a year then… he’s going to mark his sex life as “satisfactory.” Even if his partner mentions it he’s still go the weight of the two rules on his side. Meanwhile his female partner? If he wants sex more often than he she’s going to mark down “dissatisfied.” But! If he wants (or is capable of having) sex less often than she does she’s also going to mark down “dissatisfied.”

Advantage? Men. All over. Although that advantage might be one hidden reason men’s shorter lifespans.

Just a though.

Kevin Spacey's American Beauty as Metaphor: Andrew Sullivan on the Toxicity of the Closet

I probably would have let this post continue gathering dust in my Drafts pile but this post by Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo about the peculiarities of gay closeting among conservative homophobes in politics made it percolate back up for me.

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In a post about arty films that at least in retrospect suck, Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon made a poster child of the 1999 Oscar-winning American Beauty. Which in an awful lot of the ways she lays out really did suck.

Amanda mistakenly thinks the movie was about the reduction of Kevin Spacey to a state of pure privilege — a narrative arc that begins with him masturbating in the shower and, um, ends shortly after we’re supposed to see him as some kind of hero for not having sex with a 14-year-old… when it turns out (surprise!) that she wasn’t as ready as he (and she) had imagined.

That interpretation of the movie always surprises me. And if you see it that way then yeah, it doesn’t just suck pretentiously, it sucks gratuitously. Look at it that way and everything about it from the pseudo poetic voice overs to the floating plastic bags to the abrupt murder to the whole he saw / we saw comedy-of-errors between the Spacey character and the dope-dealing boyfriend just reeks phony/artsy.

But I always saw it as a gay morality play where the happy, well-adjusted out gay couple represent true suburban paradise, where the self-loathing, desperate-to-pass closeted gay neighbor on the other side represents Hell, and the Spacey character’s obliviously “latent homosexuality” is the metaphorical battlefield between the forces of the good of being ordinary and out and the evil of the closet. Throw in that all slightly tin-eared representations of heterosexuality are the result of “colonization” and… well, I’m not sure that’s what the producers really had in mind but it’s a lot easier to appreciate the movie that way.

Anyway, after a bit of rumination over irony, hypocrisy and petard-hoisting, Marshall closes his piece with this thoughtful observation

...as Andrew Sullivan puts it, these are all examples of their tragedy of the closet. Not just the inability to live full lives and all the self-loathing that’s painfully obvious in these men, but the soul-crushing and character-distorting effects of a life of denial and toxic secrecy.

He said it here.

That sounds about right. It’s not the hypocrisy, it’s the toxicity that drives it.

On the Difference Between Taking Interest and Taking Responsibility For Our Partners' Enjoyment in Bed

Cinnamonsticks of Christian Nymphos tackles a stealth issue in patriarchy, pedestals, and the no-sex class.

We hear from a lot of women who aren’t satisfied in the bedroom. Some have husbands with a low sex drive. Some have husbands who don’t know how to be good lovers to them. Some have a hard time achieving orgasm. For whatever the reason they are not happily enjoying a fulfilled sex life with their husband.

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What I want to do today is take the time to specifically focus on and discuss the importance of not transferring our part of the problem to our husbands. What often happens is that if we perceive that our husband is doing something that is keeping us from being sexually satisfied, we become so focused on his contribution to it that we forget that we are actually the ones who are primarily responsible for making sex what we want and need it to be.

She said it here.

One of the limits of traditional gender relations has been that women are given “gatekeeper” rights over only one thing: to open the gate. Everything else is held to be up to the man. Including her satisfaction. Including her disappointment.

As Barbara Eherenreich and Dierdre English, Rachel P. Maines, and others have meticulously documented, society has sometimes gone to extraordinary lengths to insure that women remain as passively dependent on their partners as humanly possible. Even in the sexually “progressive” 1970s the whole “she comes first” movement (endorsed by 2nd-wave feminism and Playboy progressives alike) held men more accountable for their partners’ enjoyment but… no less responsible for it.

In terms of heterosexuality one of the coolest things about the advent of the so-called “third wave” beginning in the 1980s was the then seriously radical idea that sex wasn’t just something that men had. There had been vibrators, yes, but they were still mostly seen (but not shown to partners) as substitutes when men weren’t around or… to “finish the job” after the man had gone to bed or gone home. But starting somewhere in the 1980s women began actively asserting ownership of their enjoyment rather than expecting their partners to provide it for them.

In many circles, both traditional and (perhaps surprisingly) progressive, this shift from women as audience of men’s performance to women as their own agents has gone over poorly. Resisted in a way that, say, tipping hats, opening doors, paying all expenses for dates, or even men leading in ballroom dancing hasn’t been. But the resistance is still an obstacle to parity.

Bottom line is it’s really (really!) important to take an active interest in our partners’ pleasure during sex. Important for men because historically we haven’t been terrifically attentive, and when even when we’ve been attentive we haven’t necessarily been very realistic. And important for women too because historically, if inaccurately, there’s been that assumption that once a partner says “yes” men can handle the rest themselves. But while it’s important for all of our partners to be actively interested in our enjoyment it’s also important that we not hold our partners responsible for our enjoyment either. So good call by Cinnamonsticks.

Lil Wayne and the Problem of Confusing Sexual Assault Victims With Male Sexual Role Models

Pulling together several themes from the last couple of days, here’s in interesting post from last month by Amanda Hess of Washington City Paper about a mediated sexual assault on rapper Lil Wayne when he was 11 years old. She’s quoting from a movie about him where he’s telling a protégé nicknamed “Twist” about an incident his own mentor, nicknamed “Baby,” instigated. (Emphasis hers.)

Wayne tells Twist that Baby, Wayne’s father figure, was one of the men encouraging the woman to perform oral sex on him. “I’m a do you like Baby and them did me,” Wayne informs him.

After the documentary was filmed, Lil’ Wayne spoke about his childhood sexual assault again, in an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel’s show. Kimmel goaded Wayne into talking about “losing his virginity” at the age of 11. Then, Kimmel—along with, oddly, Charlie Gibson, who was also a guest on the show that night—teamed up to tease Wayne over the incident, which they presented as an impressive display of Wayne’s manhood. Except that this time, Wayne was no longer up for joking about the matter, and he finally explained to Kimmel that the experience was a negative one. It was also revealed that the woman who was being encouraged to “suck little Wayne’s little dick” was 14 years old.

After the Kimmel segment aired, Cara at the Curvature wrote an excellent piece about the cultural tendency to respond to sexual assaults against males by recasting the assault as a positive sexual experience for the victim…

She said it here.

Quick note, Cara’s post at the Curvature really is a great one, as is a post from Sociological Images that inspired her.

Anyway, Hess concludes with

When sexual assault against males is excused as a joke or even held up as a badge of honor, that doesn’t just work to erase victims after the fact. This attitude directly causes sexual assaults. Twist is told he needs to have sex whether he wants to or not, just like Wayne did before him.

Yikes!

Here’s a handful of ideas we probably need to spend a little more time thinking about… and encouraging others to think about as well.

  • sexual assault on male victims is not well-understood, and consequently not taken seriously
  • male sexual awakening begins considerably later than most people seem to assume
  • gendered allegations that it’s “natural” for boys to already be ready for sex are incorrect, and therefore if a boy ends up in a sexual situation at age 11 (as in Wayne’s case) or even 4 (as in mine) the presumption is that “he’s just getting an early start” is also (deeply) incorrect.
  • Pressure to become precociously sexual has consequences on boys or, more subtly but no less incorrect…
  • if the consequences for boys look different than the consequences for girls then they are thought to be of no consequences at all

and finally

  • if boys are pressured and/or feel pressured to be precocious — either by their elders, other boys, or by girls who may already be beginning to feel sexual — they may try to fake their degree of knowledge and interest and may try to rely on social scripts from… less than ideal sources

Something else to consider: as adults it sure seems like a lot of us have a general sense of amnesia and/or avoidance of memories of that part our lives. Nevertheless it seems to be a pretty formative period where a huge number of general social assumptions are put into practice. Those of us with children, at least, and really I think everyone who plans to live among peers who are even slightly younger than we are need to reassess our own experiences and, where possible, see if we can provide more structure for children in, especially, their very early adolescence.

Middle-School Aged Missing (Or At Least Overlooked) Gender Gap

Between all the things we “know” about the differences between boys and girls on the one hand, and things we “know” about men and women on the other hand, there’s this roughly three-year gap that… we don’t “know” much about at all.

It’s not that it’s not studied (I’m sure it must be) and it’s obviously experienced by everybody. It’s just that you don’t hear many people talking about it.

It’s that gap between early childhood and early adulthood, the gap where girls hit their growth spurts, and puberty, and cognitive and social expansion, and start developing romantic and/or early sexual identities while boys in their classes mostly… aren’t.

And yes, mileage varies, yes there’s overlap, yes, yes, yes. But…

There’s this little one, or two, or maybe three year window. One that probably seems small to most adults. It’s maybe 20% of an early adolescent’s life.

It’s not talked about much. Outside of middle-school administrator’s offices anyway.

Seems like it probably has an impact disproportionate to how much it’s discussed though.

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Another point about this that’s pretty important though: the gap I mentioned between middle-school aged girls and boys would be a gap relative to middle-school aged girls and boys. Not compared to, say, high-school aged girls, not to high-school aged boys, definitely not to adults.

Seems like that probably has an impact too.

Failing to understand it, though, probably has an even bigger impact. Much bigger.

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And finally, (and this point is a lot more speculative) I’m not sure when exactly boys start catching up. I’m guessing somewhere between average late high-school and, say, mid-college age.

That definitely seems to have an impact, one that’s probably a little better recognized. And one that I think is considerably exploited by military recruiters and other adults, vendors of gendered-male products and services, and, for better or worse, peers.

Failing (sometimes, I think, willfully failing) to understand that one has, I think, tremendous impact.

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Anyway, two questions:

  • What’s your recollection of your own middle-school experiences?
  • What’s your recollection of the experiences of middle-schoolers you might have watched grow up?

Evolutionary Psychology As Artifact of the Sexual Revolution

Boy, where would Evolutionary Psychology and its more deterministic uncle Sociobiology be without the sexual revolution?

All that seed-spreading. All that “natural promiscuity” among men. All that “natural reticence” (coughRule Number Onecough) in women.

What do you suppose it would have looked like if it had been proposed not in 1975 but in, say, 1875. That was at the height… but also near the end… of the 3,000-year-old male-chastity and semen-conservation movement when Kellogg’s corn flakes and Graham’s flour and crackers were sold over the counter as it were to promote what was then the very, very popular idea of sexual and seminal “continence” in men. What if it had been proposed in India today, where Ayurvedic medical theory still holds that semen is a vital essence, even single drops of which are expended only at a man’s peril?

What if it had been proposed by the ancient Greek athletes, warriors, philosopher, and physicians?

What if it had been proposed in the U.S. or England as recently as 1957?!?!?

I’m… pretty sure you’d hear all manner of research “proving” that instead of profligately screwing anything that moved and then moving on you’d hear earnest, intent, and scrupulously collated research papers “proving” that men value marriage as a way to insure the products of their “investments” of precious-bodily fluids were kept safe and healthy until they reached their own reproductive years. I’m sure you’d hear “just so” stories about how harem-owning Sultans and polygamist Mormons did their level best to sequester and impregnate their myriad wives as conservatively as possible in order to protect their own health. I’m also pretty sure Satoshi Kanazawa would still be implying that Russian women are whores, but based instead on suppositions about their “evolutionary” desire to ruthlessly and promiscuously extract as much semen as possible from as many men as possible.

In other words there still might be such a thing as evolutionary psychology but I’m pretty sure that when it came to research human sexual behavior it would look almost completely different than it does today.

For one thing I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be so single-mindedly obsessed with proving that sexual attitudes that are scarcely more than a century old… and possibly less than 35 years old!... have been the sexual status quo since time out of mind.

Which, I might add, the highly-contingent timing of evolutionary psychology and sociology don’t undermine the concept that components of behavior are shaped by selective pressure. Such behavior is clearly demonstrable in animals and even plants. And it’s very hard to imagine human behaviors, even sexual ones, weren’t similarly shaped.

It does however tend to undermine many of their most often-repeated, and lurid, popular, and bias-confirming hypotheses about gender.

Eternal Incomprehension: "Then How *DO* Asexuals Have Sex?!?!?"

Epiphora of Hey Epiphora on Tumblr found a pretty good example of the deep, deep incomprehension asexuals have to deal with.

Whimsical-looking dildos

clientsfromhell:

I’m a freelance illustrator and I was hired to do a couple of illustrations for a story about people who are asexual (they do relationships, but not IT). I sent off my sketches to the art director and received an email back that wrote, “These look great, but could you possibly add some whimsical looking dildos?”

Read the quote in context here.

Sort of like asking for whimsical-looking Virginia hams in sketches of a hardware store, dildos just aren’t elements in the visual grammar of asexuality. Some people have a very, very hard time grasping asexuality as a concept.

What We Think We Know About Men's Sexuality, Plus "Proof" Men Have No Prostates

Not sure you can get there without registering, but after my server logs told me a poster on sex-fetish forum site Fetlife.com had linked to my post about the g-spot researcher’s other theories about women’s orgasms I found a startlingly common but I think pretty backwards assertion by another poster who said

It’s a fact that the study of female sexuality lags decades (or perhaps centuries) behind that of male sexuality so we shouldn’t be surprised that stuff like this continues to surface…

You might have to register to see it but she said here.

Instead I think we know almost exactly nothing about male sexuality except, pretty much…

  1. men will put their penises in anything vaguely orifice-like
  2. men have orgasms effortlessly if they put their penis in anything vaguely orifice-like
  3. the two items above are obviously and universally true of every man
  4. unless there’s something wrong with the man

This would be yet another consequence of assuming men are the “norm” against which everyone else is “other.” (Update: A consequence which would more tolerable if items 1-4 were even superficially correct. See also Holly.)

In fact what we don’t know about men’s sexuality would fill bookstores. Assuming anyone was a) curious and also b) unintimidated by item #4, above.

Penises aren’t uniformly sensitive, for instance. Nor, as I’m pretty sure anyone with more than a couple of male partners could tell you, is each man’s penis sensitive in the same spot. If we were curious, in fact, I’m pretty sure we could map homologous “spots” on men, from the glans (“obvious!” except when it’s not) to the frenulum to various spots in the corpus spongeousum between the corpus cavernosa to the base to the perineum to the prostate.

But we’re not. So we don’t.

Quick question for Dr. Spector: What would you get if screened out gay and bisexual men who’s “digital manipulation” might bias the results, then asked 1500 paired-twin men “do you believe you have a so-called prostate gland, a walnut-sized area on the front wall of your rectum that is sensitive to deep pressure?”

Quick answer: Proof that there’s no such thing as a prostate gland.

Just sayin’

One Tiger Woods, His Eight or More Partners, One (More) Reason Evolutionary Psychology Still Needs Work

Intern Katy in a blog-roundup post at Jezebel says

Katynels posted an article titled “Why is there no female Tiger Woods?“ in which Richard Cohen writes: “women seem not to have the evolutionary urge to couple with cheaply dressed strangers. They have a stronger need to mother – to have a child and then raise that child.” Yup, he really breaks down the whole Tiger Woods-sex-scandal thing to Darwinian urges. Reductionist, but topical!

She spotted the logic flaw here.

Riiiggghht. See, there’s this one guy, this Tiger Woods guy, who’s biological imperative makes him do this stuff that…

...he’s embarrassed and ashamed of enough to hide… even though it’s some kind of genetic imperative, as pre-determined as growing fingers on the end of your hands during fetal development, right?

And (at last count anyway) there’s, like, eight or nine women who’ve come forward to admit they “coupled” with this toolbagishly dressed stranger.

So… One guy who sleeps around, eight women who sleep around, and this guy stands there with is bare face hanging out talking about evolutionary urges.

And yeah, yeah, the “evolutionary argument” is that, well, those women don’t count since they’re just opportunity maximizing [insert random gendered derogatory term here] instead of being proper women.

But…

But…

Look, point being this guy Cohen can’t just go around claiming men are going around doing stuff with individuals he’s claiming have no, zero, none “natural” interest in anything but “a stronger need to mother – to have a child and then raise that child” when… pretty clearly… for every man who’s promiscuous with multiple hetero partners there sort of by-definition have to be a corresponding umber of women to be hetero partners with!

At some point it stops being about morality, or “science” and starts being about arithmetic.

(Also, gee, maybe Tiger Woods is all ashamed and upset because despite his promiscuity he loves his wife and children and doesn’t want to be separated from them. Which ought to be its own post.)

Finally, I’ll stop ranting about Evolutionary Psychology as soon as they stop making the kind of errors in logic and rhetoric that would get, say, a anthropologist, chemist, or dental hygiene student flunked out their freshman year. Because stuff like this matters. It slurs actual men and snubs real women and creates expectations that serve no one.

#!#^)

The Real Lesson of That Dumb Chapter in Superfeakonomics

Another way to look at Levitt and Dubner on prostitution in their clunky sequel to Freakonomics: when you’re totally mired in the bogus First Rule of Desire in particular and the dominant “no-sex” class paradigm in general you’re going to miss the most important piece of information in your hard research (pdf) on prostitution in general and your latest column in particular: prostitution is becoming a niche activity.

A decline in the prostitution market to 20% of it’s 19th- and early-to-mid 20th-Century levels, and a shift in requested prostitution services from historic mainstream acts (PIV intercourse in particular but also oral) to relatively marginal higher-risk and fetish/kink activities is not “more of the same.” It’s not “market segmentation.” It’s not “value-added” or “working smarter, not harder.”

The story in Levitt and Dubner’s column about the woman who flies to Texas to do “erotic” things to a guy with his briefcase is emblematic not of advances in prostitution. (I’ll give you a nickel if I can’t find an example of similar fetish-serving sex work any time between, say, 1809 and 1959.) It’s emblematic of all that’s left! (And not to put too fine a point on it, but if the gentleman in question joined one of the kinky-centric equivalents to Match.com he’d almost certainly find someone closer with sharable interests.)

And where did all that demand for prostitution go?

Well, an important part of it has come from not so much the sexual revolution as the feminist revolution: as women have gained in social, economic, and political stature and as they’ve gained access to reproductive health choices the significance of their sexual choices has diminished, given them a lot more (if still not enough) room to not only say no and mean it but also to say yes. Funny, as Echidne hints, what not having to worry about being stoned to death (most places) can do for one’s libido.

Something else that’s happened since prostitution’s “heyday” in the 19th and early 20th centuries is that masturbation is no longer considered some kind of death sentence either literally in the criminal sense, morally in the philosophical or religious sense, or medically in the erstwhile-mainstream-quackery sense. Funny how we see that big drop off in demand for commercial intercourse when sex for men — with others or by yourself — is no longer a sin, a crime, or a cause of tuberculosis, insanity, or cancer. (Or, my favorite, as bad for the health as losing a pint of blood… each time.)

So yeah, we still see a lot of prostitution where the acts in question are non-routine acts, and we still see prostitution in areas where masturbation is more stigmatized. But in general while we do still see it we’re seeing it more as a niche market than a major activity.

Levitt and Dubner… completely miss all this in their analysis in part.

\* Or, more precisely, based on Levitt’s original research with Sudhir Venkatesh, the bottom falls out of the market for core, non-risky, non-fetish prostitution but that’s largely beside the point: the market for those kink/fetish activities will continue to shrink as well as those activities become more popular in mainstream partnerships.

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