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You’re probably all familiar with the inverse law of fantasy armour for women: the less the armour covers, the more it somehow miraculously protects. Liz Walsh writes and draws the entertaining web comic Tao of Geek and I quite enjoyed her story about Naomi campaigning not for sensible armour for women, but in equal cheesecake for her male barbarian character.
The story starts here and if you don’t have a whole lot of time, you should at least check out the final punchline here.
Two good ones from the middle of the series (click to see them full-size at Tao of Geek.)
Further on in the series Walsh makes not one but two points in dialogue. A couple of passers by say “We don’t want female characters covered up” and “We like looking at pretty women” and Walsh’s character Naomi replies “No one’s saying you don’t! I don’t want to cover up women, I want to have sexy armor for all.” To which the uncomprehending passers-by repeat “We like looking at pretty women.”
Oh, and extra credit for the slash-fic reference here. (Note: Hmm… I wonder if slash fiction, which can be barkingly pornographic, continually flies under the bogus Rules of Desire is because even though both authors and readers are overwhelmingly female nearly all the the sex in slash fiction is between male characters.)
The Wise Guys column Em & Lo this week has something from me in it. Here’s the question.
Advice from three of our guy friends. This week they answer the following: “My boyfriend claims it means nothing when he looks at other women, and yet he gets jealous when I look at other men. Why is that?”
Here’s my answer (which, probably not coincidentally, is fairly closely follows my reactions in Interconnections: Women, Men, Infidelity, Morality, Betrayal, Dignity, “Manhood,” Etc..)
Straight Married Guy (Figleaf): Funny you should mention that. I’ve got a woman friend who flirts shamelessly but almost blacks out with jealousy when her partner so much as asks another woman to pass the salt. Her answer for the double standard is a lot like men’s: She knows she’s not looking to change relationships, so it’s okay for her, but not having the same insider information about what her partner’s thinking, she sees it as a total threat. Something similar is probably going though your partner’s head.
But that’s just the general case — there’s a more specific case related to what we “know” about men and women in relationships. We “know” that women are all “naturally” monogamous and men are just as “naturally” promiscuous, right? And so all your boyfriend’s cultural messages are that it’s really harmless for him to eye other women. He’d at most want a one-night stand, but we all “know” he wouldn’t want an emotional attachment. Meanwhile, though, all the cultural messages about you as a woman say that if you’re looking, it’s because you’d rather be with them. Forever! So he “knows” you’d really “only” want an emotional attachment and not a one-night stand. And as Em & Lo’s survey showed back in September, both men and women feel way more threatened by emotional infidelity than sexual infidelity. Is it fair that women are thought to be “naturally” monogamous and men are thought to be “naturally” promiscuous? No, but a lot of things aren’t fair, and jealousy will probably always be with us. The bigger question is whether it’s true? No, it’s not. Which is a bigger problem, but one that, unlike jealousy, we can get over.
Lot of scare quotes in that response. But then words like “know” and “natural” are scary in declarations about gender differences.
But bottom line I think the bogus Two Rules of Desire, wherein it’s both inconceivable and intolerable for a woman to just think some guy’s good looking, accounts for most of the double standards of gender and jealousy.
Interesting post at Jezebel called Male Midwife: Women Need Childbirth Pain To “Prepare” for Demands Of Motherhood”. Anna N quotes a midwife, Dr. Denis Walsh, who says
Pain in labour is a purposeful, useful thing, which has quite a number of benefits, such as preparing a mother for the responsibility of nurturing a newborn baby.
What. Ever. The only thing interesting about this guy is that he’s a guy in the first place. At least in American midwifery (where women midwives outnumber men by… um… I’ve never heard a male midwife named before, let alone quoted, even though I know there are a few of them) that kind of “no pain, no gain” school of thought is very common. So the only interesting thing about the original article is that they found a male one.
(Aside: Exactly WTF about everyday motherhood is so exacting or extraordinary that only the pain of unmediated labor and delivery can prepare one for it?)
Finally, as observers of pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting around the world frequently note, Dr. Walsh’s affection for maternal pain and suffering is not confined to midwives.
For the record there are other, less ideological schools of thought in midwifery that strongly advance maximizing control of labor and delivery decisions (a.k.a. agency), and minimize medicalization for the convenience of caregivers, without… um… fetishizing pain, risk, and potential loss for its own sake. Loss of control is loss of control, shaming is shaming, and “shut up, this is good for you” is just as crappy regardless of the ideology of the individual or institution making the pronunciation.
But!
That’s not what I wanted to post about. Instead it’s the interesting proposition raised by Kiskilili of Zelophehad’s Daughters
Eve’s curse is famously (at least, depending on how one parses it) twofold: “in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee” (Genesis 3:16). Eve is punished both with painful parturition and with marital subordination.
Granted, we’ve softened the language of that second mandate somewhat. But, I wonder, by what hermeneutical criterion have we rejected the first section entirely while adopting the second, even in modified form? Why do Church leaders not issue statements reminding women that God has always intended for childbirth to be painful, and therefore to avoid epidurals (or anything else that might unnecessarily ease the process)? If, on the other hand, we contend that the first statement to Eve is nothing more than a description, on what basis can we maintain that the second is meant prescriptively?
Furthermore, in comments Kiskilili adds
I’ve sometimes wondered myself why, for example, men don’t formally take upon themselves the obligation to work by the sweat of their brows. It looks very much to me as though we’re picking and choosing our commandments when it comes to this story.
The full quote from Genesis 3 (King James Version) is
16 To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said,
“Because you listened to your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat of it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
So… what’s the takeaway here?
Mine would be that even if you were a Biblical literalist… maybe especially if you were a Biblical literalist, you’d read that passage as a straight-up punishment of Adam and Eve for their specific behavior and that would be the end of the story. And literalist or not, there’s nothing there holding their descendants to different standards either of sweat or suffering depending on gender.
And while we’re at it, this guy Ryan Haecker of Daily Texan Online is more to be pitied than scorned for being so deeply planted head-first in the “no-sex” class paradigm that you can barely see the soles of his feet.
What’s not sexy is feminism (not to be confused with femininity), which is directly responsible for the disappearance of our beloved dresses and the adoption of pants by the “new woman.” Like all fashions, pants are symbolic of something – in this case masculinity – through their allowance of physical activity. Dresses, the antithesis of pants, symbolize femininity through grace and elegance. Men find elegance in women to be attractive, and dresses are a physical manifestation of femininity. The wearing of pants by women represents the masculinization of the fairer sex, which is not at all attractive.
...The androgynous masculinization of the modern woman, through the donning of pants, suits, uncovered shoulders and unveiled hair, has in a sense led to the slow whorification of ladyhood. In discarding feminine dress, women seem to have symbolically discarded femininity and modesty (the virtues of women) in favor of sexual virility, promiscuity and immodesty (the vices of men). The ideal form of a true lady is a constant, immutable aspect of humanity, and this strange new development can only represent a bizarre aberration of a perverse and ignoble culture. Dresses are an essential part of any true lady’s attire, and they should be worn.
The poor fellow reveals the depth of his indoctrination here.
Got that? Women should be seen (“ideal form,” “elegance”) but not move (“sexual virility, promiscuity, and immodesty,” pants with their “allowance of physical activity.”) And in any event you should exist exclusively for the pleasure (visual or otherwise) of men. And, presumably, derive their own pleasure only from the pleasure men derive from you.
[Notice also the hideous self-hatred implicit in his embrace of the two-sphere model of gender wherein if men are to be one thing women must be the opposite. In this case since women have virtues men can have only vices. Or, perhaps, because men have only vices women ought to compensate (sacrificing themselves for men once again) by being all virtue. But I digress…. —fl]
So at this point can I just call attention to a gigantic, gaping hole in the logic of modesty and chastity advocates like Wendy Shalit (Girls Gone Mild: Girls Gone Mild: Young Women Reclaim Self-Respect and Find It’s Not Bad to Be Good, A Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue
), Dawn Eden (The Thrill of the Chaste: Finding Fulfillment While Keeping Your Clothes On
), and Laura Sessions Stepp (Unhooked: How Young Women Pursue Sex, Delay Love and Lose at Both
) and others like them? Just looking at their subtitles it’s clear these movement conservatives decry the active sexuality implied (if not always delivered) by those who can’t “keep their clothes on” as degrading and demeaning. They claim, not without justification, in my opinion, that whatever intentionality or agency women manifest through, say, recreational pole dancing, making out with other women at frat parties, or flashing their boobs for football or NASCAR fans is offset by their partners’ general ignorance and/or willful disregard of that agency.
And yet… and yet… for every thuggish Beavis or Butthead who exploits, and thus negates, the agency of an “empowered” porn star for his own utterly selfish gratification, there’s a Ryan Haecker at the University of Texas who… exploits and thus negates the modesty and virtue of the Wendy Shalits and Dawn Edens, the Laura Sessions Stepss and the Carol Platt Liebaus for his own no less selfish gratification.
At best the Stepps and Shalits of the world get slightly less sticky… at least till marriage… but no less taken for granted in terms of their sexual accommodations. At worst they wind up choking on abuse, philandering, and extraordinary effort in pursuit of the values they originally seek to sell themselves by: their looks, their “grace,” their “elegance,” and their willingness to sacrifice themselves for the pleasure of others.
Of others, again, who by virtue of the two-sphere model they and the Ryan Haeckers of the world espouse, who in no way whatsoever deserve it. Because, again, remember that in that in the two-sphere model if women are granted virtue then men are left only with vice. Because, again, remember that just as women must be the “no-sex” class, men must be obliged to pursue sex at every opportunity and at any cost.
And that’s a system were supposed to admire more? I don’t get it.