Pluralist of Feministing Community has a really cool post up about the near side of non-consensual “gray area” sex.
What makes it a great illustration is that the sexes were reversed! (Emphasis hers.)
Since November my best friend has been having relationship problems. She is cis and het as is her boyfriend and they’ve been a committed and monogamous relationship for about 4 years now. The whole story is too long to recount, but as of a week ago they began a “break they need in order to stay together”.
Suffice it to say the first two days were hellish as I talked to one of the loves my life breaking down over the phone. But during one of the more lucid moments, she told me that – among a lot of alleged grievances – she had (unknowingly) forced her boyfriend into sex.
Apparently he had said things along the lines of “I’m too tired right now, let’s just go to sleep” and she had continued to proposition him thinking “welll, this will help you sleep better!” My immediate reaction was that there was no way she had coerced or pressured him into sex. After all, he should’ve just said “No really, I don’t want to do this right now” if she kept at it. It was his fault for not stopping the encounter.
And then I realized that had this been a woman in his place – not to mention my best friend – I would never have given this consideration. I was victim-blaming, basing my assumptions in tropes of male hypersexuality and female passivity. She didn’t handcuff him to a heater and force-feed him viagra . She’s a nice girl, she couldn’t have done that!
I talk a lot more about the paradigmatic social assumptions that women belong to the “no-sex” class — sugar, spice, everything nice, sure, but also possessing no autonomous sexual agency. Unless they’re somehow “broken,” or “damaged goods.” I don’t talk so much about the other side, the equally strong assumption that men are the sex class — obligate, reflexive, indiscriminating, and single-mindedly ready for sex. Unless, again, there’s something wrong with them. But it’s just as big a deal.
Inside the dominant paradigm it’s as unheard of for a man to say “no” as for a woman to say “yes.” Inside the paradigm, with it’s bogus Two Rules of Desire, the ratchet of initiative alway clicks in one direction.
This too has its consequences. It doesn’t just assume women never mind not having sex, it also assumes men never mind having it. One consequence would be Pluralist’s friend assuming her partner was having a momentary brain fart or something therefore his “no” couldn’t possibly really mean no. So she kept trying.
As I said up at the top this is way over on the near side of the “gray area.” A little persistence, especially in a long-term relationship where one partner’s behavior is perhaps uncharacteristic, is an unfortunate failure to recognize that no means no, but not an appalling one.
That said, whereas it’s way over this way verging into “no harm then no foul” territory, as Pluralist hinted and one commenter stated very clearly, however mild-sounding the incident
Obviously, something went wrong in this particular case if the guy is bringing it up as a grievance.
Therefore not “no harm then no foul.”
So if her failure to acknowledge or respect his decision wasn’t appalling it wasn’t benign either.
So there’s definitely still something to talk about.
In a perfectly lovely, long post on complications of our casual understanding of the term “casual sex” Lynn Gazis-Sax of Noli Irritare Leones shines a bright spotlight on what’s got to be the biggest source of wariness about it (italic emphasis mine, bold emphasis hers.)
But before I get to sex, I need to talk about not-sex, because that has a lot to do with my visceral reactions to what people call, variously, “casual sex,” “one-night stands,” “hookups,” “flings,” “no strings attached,” etc. In particular, I’m thinking of a particular kind of not-sex: the stream of not particularly welcome overtures, from people not particularly willing to care about my response, that started with the obscene phone call from an apparently adult man when I was just a kid, including the guy who tried to grab me on the street when I was still not quite legal, the shouts in the street from groups of men, the drunk at the swimming pool whose wife kept apologizing for him, etc. Because the thing about these unwelcome, uninvited, boundary pushing approaches is that, though the men making them were very much a minority among the men I met in general, they were a much larger set of the men who were approaching me for no strings sex.
Mild-reflex reservations aside (reflex says it sounds like she’s stereotyping, reflection says not) I think this is the $64,000 problem. There really are at least two types of people interested in “casual sex” and one of those two types is very different from the other one.
Fairly or unfairly, it’s very, very easy to see how involvement, even glancing involvement, with individuals from one group could make you wary about the whole approach.
Lynn really crystalized the difference.
The flip and/or “sex positive” solution is to say stuff like “well, it’s unfair to judge my intentions by the actions of of others.” This is perfectly true — thus my mention of reflex reservations, above.
It’s also, unfortunately, 100% victim-blaming.
So it occurs to me that if you enjoy the idea of casual sex then it’s your responsibility to challenge, aggressively and consistently, the actions and intentions not of the victims but of the perpetrators.
You see a guy cat-calling someone from a window? Hear a guy in a dorm, frat, office, or party talking about spiking the punch with odorless/tasteless PGA, let alone roofies? You hear someone saying “cash, grass, or ass, nobody rides for free?” You see someone with a “shut up and suck” t-shirt? You see someone not taking no for an answer whether out of cluelessness, drunkenness, eagerness, privilege, arrogance, impatience, or barely-suppressed rage at the entire class of people they’re sexually oriented towards? You hear someone running someone else down for their weight, or for their body parts, or their (real or hypothesized) sexual behaviors or proclivities, someone referencing another strictly in terms of their sexual utility instead of their humanity? You see or hear any of that you’re not just seeing the oppression of their intended victim. You’re seeing your own oppression.
By convention you don’t have to do or say anything when you see that kind of oppression. But don’t imagine it has nothing to do with you.
Amanda Hess of Washington City Paper says
Over the next few weeks, [her] blog will be obsessed with groping. And I’m hoping to collect as many perspectives as possible on inappropriate touching in Washington, D.C., from the District’s men, women, bouncers, and bar owners. Have you been groped in a bar, on the street, at work, in public transportation? Have you helped prevent, stop, report, or prosecute a groping incident? Have you groped? Shoot me an e-mail at ahess@washingtoncitypaper.com.
In the last couple of weeks I’ve noticed a mild uptick in references to groping around the blogosphere so this might be a good time to start thinking publicly about it. If you’re in the D.C. area and willing to share your perspective drop her a line.
Jill (formerly Twisty) of I Blame The Patriarchy takes on the peculiar cast of characters defending convicted rapist Roman Polanski has an aura of childlike naivete. She says the answer is that basically all the nominal progressives who called for him to be left alone are all just really bad people and we’ve just been too dumb to notice. Taking aim at Whoopie Goldberg
Wait! No! Not Whoopi, the affable Center Square who’s black enough to be hep, but not so black that she scares the honkys?
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Possibly Whoopi views Polanski’s violent crime in this seriously fucked-up way because in Hollywood — patriarchy’s primary misogyny propaganda unit — rape is nothing but a plot device
I think that’s going both a little too hard but also way too easy on them.
Instead I think it’s because in Hollywood people use, um, “leveraged” sex as even more of a medium of currency than most other places do. It’s not just about the “casting couch” thing but an outright demonstration of a combination of power, fealty, and “committment” to a person or project. Where it’s sort of a given that giving a producer a blowjob when it’s known you like giving them or even just don’t mind isn’t nearly as valuable as giving one when it’s the last thing on earth you want to do.
And so by that way of thinking, which I’m guessing Goldberg just sees as the cost of doing business, what Polanski did to a 13-year-old was just “over the line” and not “rape-rape.”
And I’m just thinking that unusual suspects are standing up for him not so much because they like the system or look forward to being on the receiving end themselves but because to acknowledge it in Polanski’s case would mean having to confront what they themselves have submitted to, or at least steeled themselves for in case they had to, as their own “cost of doing business” in Hollywood.
And by the way, that’s not to excuse the “rape as a plot device” business they grunt out on a daily basis. Quite the opposite. You see a lot of the same sordid plot devices in regular print and comic publishing, but you don’t see that “if you want it you’ve got to show me how badly you want it” sort of thing that goes on in Hollywood.
Bottom line: it’s not so much “rape-rape” culture as a culture of sexual harassment on an industrial scale. For an insider to stand up to it requires acknowledging that he or she has participated in, and possibly “benefited” career-wise from it, as aggressor or victim or both.
%@!#%W
For the record I think sex is just great. And while I’m not a fan I’m not opposed to fee-for-service sex. I seriously have it in for sex as leverage or obligation of any kind, though.
Vanessa of Feministing discussing a Washington Post column about the general problem of sexual advances on parishioners (they only mention women in this story) by pastors references a particularly troubling instance (emphasis hers.)
The piece has a story of a young woman who was sexually assaulted by her pastor at her Evangelical Lutheran Church – when seeking spiritual guidance, he told her that having sex with him was ordained by God. Even after years of therapy, she still has a hard time walking into a Church.
Problems with this, none of which get a lot of discussion:
In other words the scandalous part isn’t the nominal scandal of adults wrestling with different degrees of attraction, attention, pressure, and resistance. That happens every weekend in bars, backstages, banks, and bath houses every weekend. But for those other situations we tend to have scripts, narratives, experiences, and culture for dealing with it. Pretending church is different isn’t just not working, it’s putting people — pastors, congregants, and passers by who might otherwise find faith at risk.

Photo by Flickr user postaletrice. Used under a Creative Commons license.
Random observations I posted yesterday to Twitter from my phone while waiting for other family members and friends to rendezvous after a day at the nearby water park.
After a day at a water park I’m afraid John Derbyshire is right. One-piece suits are hotter than bikinis. That’s what he meant, right? :-)
Water park observation #2: by the end of the day all suit bottoms are baggy, suggesting relevant ad photo shoots happen in the morning. :-)
Waterpark observation #3: hairy backs are far more common on older men. As previously reported. And no not because younger men shave more.
Waterpark observation #4: “porn” poses and postures have almost no relation to just-hanging-around. Body language is huge WRT this. (Duh!)
Waterpark observation #5: past a certain point body hair, or type of suit could be a more reliable gender marker than body shape. (Added: It’s not that women have boobs, it’s that a lot of men do too. It’s not that men have narrow hips, it’s that a lot of women do too. There’s a lot of variation in humans compared to, say, penguins or even other primates. There’s a lot of overlap overlap.)
Waterpark observation #6: there was far less ogling, let alone cat-calling, than I remember from summer culture when I was a kid. Could this have anything to do with #4, above? (Added: The highly mixed age/race/class crowd, from military to working poor to middle class, wasn’t what Fox News types would call genteel, effete, or elite so that’s not it. Also, there was plenty of… um… fixed gender behavior, just no ogling, headswivelling, male-gazing, cat-calling, or “woo” plus grinning head-shakes between men after women walked past.)
A while ago Karen Rayne of Adolescent Sexuality by Dr. Karen Rayne, who both teaches sex ed in middle school and teaches college students how to become sex educators, mentioned in a “too busy to write about it now” post that
Sexual harassment is prevalent in many middle and high schools – maybe even most of them. But in two recent classes I led on the topic, the students started off believing that sexual harassment was not present in their schools. Then I started asking what they thought sexual harassment was, and we talked in depth about specific examples of what constitutes sexual harassment. By the end of the conversations, all of the students in both classes had reassessed their schools, to say sexual harassment was highly prevalent. It seems that many young people know that sexual harassment is bad, but they don’t know what it really is, they don’t know why it is a problem, and they don’t know what to do about it when they do see it. There needs to be major education on this topic that just isn’t happening in many of our schools – and I think I know why it isn’t happening.
A bit later I left a comment asking if she was going to post more about it and adding that
It occurs to me that teaching harassment in school takes away some of the anxiety/stigma that seems to afflict, especially, a lot of men when harassment training is assigned in college or work situations. Even though the same conditions usually apply: adults very often know it’s bad, have a good idea of what really egregious cases might be, but don’t necessarily know where they stand. And, I’ve noticed, corporate and even campus training is resisted for various reasons.
Whereas if it’s just part of the sex education curriculum it’s just part of the curriculum and not a reaction to an incident report, suit, or job action. And so they’re likely to be pretty open to hearing about it.
A bit later than that Rayne expanded that snippet into a complete post. The post covers several important issues related to teaching about harassment in school, in a way that’s clear but difficult to excerpt. Here’s a long snippet from the middle that’s both cool and insightful about how her middle-school students had such a hard time getting what sexual harassment is, how that could be, and what might be done about it.
Over the past weeks, I keep going back to my students not knowing what sexual harassment is. I wondered about this for some time, baffled about why they were so unclear.
I think we are essentially back to language issues again, with this lack of knowledge about sexual harassment. My students – by and large – classified rape as non-consensual penetration. They – by and large – classified sexual harassment as non-consensual sexual contact like slapping someone’s butt or grabbing their breasts or groin area. But they tended to think that the hands-off, language or body signal based, sexualizing behaviors were bad, of course, but they classified them more as annoying or gross rather than sexually harassing.
And I spent these past weeks looking at my own young daughters and hoping that they will know what sexual harassment is. Then, several days ago I was reading my 7 year old daughter a chapter out of a Ramona book where Ramona chases a classmate around the playground trying to kiss him. He runs from her – it’s a game, or at least it’s presented as a game. My daughter certainly understood it as a game. So, being the mother that I am, I stopped reading and we had a long talk about why Ramona really needed to stop running after Davey – that continuing to try and kiss someone who has made it clear that they don’t want to kiss you is wrong. That Davey could have stopped running and told Ramona to leave him alone rather than playing her game. That there are better ways to play with someone who you like and want to be friends with. We came up with ideas about other ways Ramona might have approached Davey. I hope my daughter heard me.
Sex is far too often treated as a game in our society – in our stories, our media, our music. And when it’s seven year olds at play, it is a game. But if they learn one set of rules at seven, and then no one comes along and tells them explicitly that the rules have changed by the time they’re thirteen, it’s not all that surprising that they don’t know. And frankly two sets of rules is a pretty big waste of time – why don’t we just teach our children the good set of rules from the time they’re little?
One last point: if you’re familiar with sexual harassment law the Rayne’s definitions are a bit loose in the sense that not all the infringements she articulates fit the legal definition. Rayne is instead talking about using education to address the social climate that includes but isn’t limited to actionable sexual harassment.
Again, her whole post is worth a read.
At Sex 2.0 blogger Maria Diaz presented a session on “Revenge Porn.” Here are my rough, non-verbatim notes taken live during the session. Update Calico has posted video transcripts.
Initially inspired by hassles faced by Gretchen Rossi of a TV show called “Real Housewives of Orange County”
So! What is revenge porn?
Reason for the talk
Different flavors of revenge porn
4 Cases
Maria Diaz asked: Why do outed celebrities’ seem to suffer less career-wise (but not suffer less personally)
Question: Why the market for humiliated/revenge-upon-ed wives, husbands?
Question: With everyone growing up with phonecams, etc do you think it’ll ever reach a point where someone won’t have to resign or won’t be hired if outed?
Maria: Problem with Jason Fortuny and other revenge/stalking cases is there were, or are, no real laws.
Point: Revenge porn ought to be treated as internet stalking
Downside: law enforcement may not be prepared/motivated to enforce stalking in the first place
Point: saturation of millions of “yeah I did that too” takes power away from straight-up revenge. Saturation doesn’t protect in Fortuny-type “craigslist respondent” outings
Point Saying “If you have to do it… lock it down, get “collateral,” is implicitly agreeing it’s wrong. Saying “it’s the worst thing” is only an issue if it’s really the worst thing!
Possible “fight fire with fire” Strategy:
This post is about an effective way to deal with people who post sexually “incriminating” information about others against their will: outing the posters so that their future employers, partners, and customers find out when they Google them.
On Saturday at Sex 2.0 Maria Diaz gave a presentation on “revenge porn” “Revenge porn” is the umbrella term for the act of distributing information about a person’s sexual nature against the victim’s wishes, but it’s most closely associated with posting nude photos taken before a relationship ends as a way of getting back at an ex.
One of the big concerns for victims is that even if they get redress from perpetrators… or even if the perpetrator genuinely regrets their decision, once information goes into circulation it can’t be recalled.
One potential bright spot is that as more, and more, and more people “grow up online” and as more and more people’s photos end up in distribution (either involuntarily or voluntarily) we can expect to reach a certain saturation level such that the existence of such photos won’t be scandalous at all. (In 1984 the discovery of years-old nude photos of Vanessa L. Williams obliged her surrender her position as Miss America. Some years later the disclosure of far more sexual photos of rabid right-wing radio host “Doctor” Laura Schlessinger raised eyebrows but caused no lasting damage. Just recently the discovery of photos of controversial figure Carrie Prejean have caused scarcely a ripple. (Compared, at least, to her genuinely scandalous, but unconcealed homophobia.)
Odds are that it won’t be that long before such photos won’t derail a Supreme Court nomination.
That will be then, however. This is now. And now, for whatever reason, not only do people feel embarrassed and threatened when a former partner posts photos, they also face potential discrimination from future partners, colleges, and employers during routine background searches.
So what to do?
Well, Google and background checks cut both ways. If Google can turn up “incriminating” photos indicating that, like the entire rest of the population, one has a pee-pee and an inclination to do things that feel nice with them, well? Google can also turn up information on the assholes who think it’s fun, funny, or “revenge” to post them.
And you know what? Whereas a “saturation” effect may protect victims in the future it’s extremely unlikely that future employers, partners, journalists, or biographers will ever be pleased when they turn up evidence that a candidate has posted such photos.
“Youthful indiscretion” is almost by definition a transitory phenomenon that, again almost by definition, has no bearing on one’s likely future performance. “Being an asshole,” on the other hand, can be a little more… indicative. (For instance it’s very likely that no matter what he does in the years between, 30 years from now Jason Fortuny’s odds of a supreme-court nomination will be approximately what they are now: zero.)
So to the extent you can’t recall photos posted on the internet I’d like to suggest making it just as difficult to recall the information identifying the individuals who posted those photos.
Yes, I’m aware that many victims would prefer the incident be forgotten as quickly as possible rather than dredged up again in the future. That’s obviously fine. But not every victim will feel that way. And, really, it only takes a few to create a laudable “chilling effect” on other would-be perpetrators.
In three-must-be-a-trend news, Sadie of Jezebel says there’s already a bit of an avalanche of women teachers having sexual relationships with male students. Which makes it not only inappropriate from a power-gradient point of view but also makes it statutory rape. Oops. Not ok.
While doing the legwork on the appropriate “to be sures” about appropriateness, and while acknowledging the psychological complications male students develop… roughly as frequently as female students do… Sadie hits a couple of rough patches.
An oversimplification, sure, but worth thinking about; as a rule, these women seem less like general sexual predators with uncontrollable appetites than those who’ve developed “feelings” for specific boys. Better? No, but arguably less dangerous.
First of all, hello! Correct me if I’m wrong (I could be) but flipping Humbert Humbert had a specific thing for the archetypical Lolita. And while there are certainly exceptions, as far as I know rather than just leaping into the girl’s shower room with their socks on most predatory (heterosexual) male teachers seem to develop “feelings” for specific girls as well. Which, like women teachers with “feelings” for specific boys, really is less dangerous…
... for all the other, non-specific girls or boys.
Less dangerous for the specific students though? Evidently not so much.
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I don’t want to say I’m exactly encouraged by this development, or the college-level case I mentioned in “Great In a Bar, Not At All Great in Academia“ but I do think the increasing frequency, and the increasingly level-headed tone of discussion, may have two long-term consequences. First, it breaks up the notion that sexual, um, opportunism is more a matter of, well, opportunity rather than inherent in gender. And so more attention may be paid to mitigating such behavior generally. Second, it also breaks up notion that women aren’t sexually assertive. A behavior that’s pretty disgraceful in teacher/student relationships (regardless of age), but is actually pretty socially beneficial when conducted between adults.
Finally, half-horribly but half-hopefully, it’s good to hear these women discussed as simply “unable to resist temptation” instead of the usual, way more gendered fare that women are just perverting their natural affinity for children. In most cases abusive female teachers, any more than male ones, don’t seem to be mentally ill mini-Mary Letourneau’s.