slut shaming

Thoughts on Scott Brown's and Elizabeth Warren's Stupid Exchange Over Nude Photography

Thu, 2011-10-06 09:44

Image via TalkingPointsMemo. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image via TalkingPointsMemo.

Part 1: Massachusetts Senate Candidate Elizabeth Warren stupidly declared that unlike her opponent, incumbent Sen. Scott Brown, she didn't pay for college by posing naked (for Cosmopolitan back when the magazine published monthly nude male pinups.)

Part 2: When asked by a talk-show host whether he had "officially responded to Elizabeth Warren’s comment about how she didn’t take her clothes off?" Brown stupidly laughed and said “Thank God!"

What. Ever.

A couple things here. First of all, if Elizabeth Warren used as many cosmetics as Scott Brown she'd be as conventionally attractive. This isn't a knock on Brown, but it's not a knock on Warren either. Cosmetics are a choice. They can have a profound effect on our appearance even though they make no difference in our abilities to function.* Brown has generally chosen one way, Warren another. Both are petty to have brought it up.

Second, fuck Warren for trying to slut-shame Brown!

Third, fuck Brown for slamming Warren's potential sex appeal!

Since both present entirely within generally-accepted parameters for life in contemporary culture it's none of one's businesses either how the other chooses to present nor is it anyone's business how the rest of the general public ought to interpret their choices.

Oh, and fourth, the role reversals -- Elizabeth Warren playing the "dismissive male" with her disapproval of frivolity and Scott Brown playing the "compromised but prideful ingénue" with his arch riposte is just too precious for words.

And finally? Fifthly? Good for Brown for posing naked for beefcake photos in a national magazine at a time when there was tremendous pressure on men to gaze rather than be gazed upon. And for similar reasons good for Warren for putting accomplishment ahead of appearance. Each played then, and to a certain extent could play now, an important role in breaking through centuries of gendered expectations... but by now fishtailing past each other like Boston drivers in snow they're not helping anybody.

Note: Image and all quotes taken from TalkingPointsMemo.com.

* Well, technically it can make a difference in terms our our ability to "psyche" ourselves. For instance an always-meticulous editor I used to work with (not as a writer) always wore a precisely tailored suit, tie, and polished shoes on the days he did his final edits. His argument was that dressing extra carefully helped him work extra carefully. But I digress...

Because Evidently Sometimes "Little Footie Pajamas With Elmo on Them" Constitutes "Dressing Like a Slut"

Mon, 2011-06-06 22:02

Holly has just knocked another one out of the park re. the imputed "intention" of SlutWalk to somehow recruit "sluts."

[Q] Are you encouraging women to act like sluts?

[A] Nope! We're just saying it's an acceptable option.

Lots of people at the Slutwalk were dressed very modestly, and I personally know that some of them were monogamous or celibate. Absolutely nobody was telling these people that they needed to be sluttier to fit in. Slutwalk is not an event to recruit sluts, but to defend sluts.

Source: The Pervocracy

And that's not, incidentally, to defend sluts from rapists (it's about defending everybody from rapists. Instead its to defend against the idea, again somehow shared by rapists, law enforcement, the general public, and and anti-SlutWalkers, that if someone actually happens to be a "slut" then she's got it coming to her because men are either a) unable to control their animal natures or else b) socially sanctioned enforcers of the bogus Two Rules of Desire and don't you forget it.

[Q] What is the message of Slutwalk?

[A] The message of Slutwalk is that SOMEONE BEING A SLUT DOES NOT EXCUSE SHAMING, HARASSMENT, OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.

In other words, if you see someone looking or acting like oh my god such a slut, you let her go on her merry way. You have no more right to abuse, mock, harass, or assault her than you do any other person. And if a slut is abused or assaulted, she did not want it and did not deserve it, and the people victimizing her are every bit as guilty as if they did it to a non-slut.

And meanwhile, there's the issue of what the fuck exactly does it mean to "dress like a slut" in the first place? (Emphasis mine)

[Q] But isn't it safer for women to dress modestly?

[A] Yeah. That's the problem.

Actually, there aren't any statistics on clothing and sexual assault, but there doesn't seem to be much connection. Sexual assault isn't a matter of "she aroused me so much I just couldn't stand it;" it's an act of deliberate violence. The majority of assaults are committed by people who already know the victims. Often the assaults take place at home. Speaking anecdotally from three years of experience as an EMT and an ER worker, most of the sexual assault victims I've seen were wearing jeans, sweatpants, pajamas, even hijab. (Or little footie pajamas with Elmo on them.)

It's that last little bit that keeps me coming back, and back, and back to this topic.

There's more though. And you really should to go read the rest of her post (actually if you're not already then you should immediately subscribe to Holly's RSS feed. In fact if you've only got time to read one blog a day maybe you should stop reading this one and go read her. And I don't say that lightly.)

But one of the points Holly keeps coming back to over and over is the near-uniform failure to distinguish the intense loathing so many people -- conservatives, liberals, libertines, prudes, feminists, and MRAs alike -- feel for women who look or, worse, act like their definition of a "slut" and the little matter that even if someone does offend you to the core it's still not ok for someone to rape them for you.

A SlutWalk in New Orleans by Another, Locally-Appropriate Name, Might Sound Even Sweeter... And More Spontaneous

Mon, 2011-06-06 17:09

Having defended SlutWalk Toronto and its successor demonstrations with all the curmudgenliness I can muster I want to touch on a dissenting point. It's something that’s really been overlooked by too many people who’ve been looking at the Toronto thing as a ready made template for social action.

Specifically, I thought Aura Blogando’s well-reposted dissent was off the mark in one regard: there’s no way the best response for women in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, to take against an asshat Toronto police officer’s aspersions about Toronto women’s attire would be to organize a protest in New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.A.

But she is on the mark that what was probably 100% appropriate for protestors in Toronto would not be appropriate for a similar protest in New Orleans. In fact even the name, which was perfect for circumstances in Toronto (where the word the cop used, “slut,” does not have such deep-rooted historical connotations in race, class, and legal proceedings) would be a disaster in New Orleans (where the word “slut” absolutely does have those connotations and according to Blogando, quite a few more!)

But where I think she, and a lot of other people, got their wheel in a rut is over the expectation that any initiative in one location must be a complete, branded template for every other location. On the planet. Or, worse, that one quickly-spun website in Canada should become the clearing house for all future local initiatives along those same lines.

It would just be a mistake if Blogando were the only one to make it, but she isn’t — since maybe the early 1980s rubber-stamped protests have been the norm not just in feminist circles but most progressive-left ones. (Nowadays it's protesters on the right who at least seem the most spontaneous, motivated, and self-organizing.)

But here’s the thing I think is important, which I think everyone else who’s enthusiastic thinks is important too: it sounds like a “well-intentioned” New Orleans cop would have used a different word to pre-emptively blame and shame rape victims. But it would have still been the same implication and so even using different word than “slut” it would have been just as major an insult. And so there’s pretty much 100% likelihood that flashmob-like initiators in New Orleans (who would not have been primarily white, Asian, east-Asian, and first-peoples Canadians but instead would be white, African-American, mixed-race, creole, central- and South-American, Caribbean, and southeast Asian) would have named their initiative after the word their local asshat cop used instead. Even if that word either had odd or irritating connotations elsewhere in the world.

And the point, which I think is more important than almost anything else, is that that’s what everyone could be doing! Responding in local parlance to local events taking local conditions into consideration in order to produce the highest local impact!

Out of context “SlutWalk” is a dumb name. And I think it’s kind of silly that everyone else is kind of reflexively imitating it title and all. And heck, if as Blogando and others suggest the word “slut” doesn’t have the same resonance in New Orleans or elsewhere then not only does it annoy some people it also isn’t going to resonate with local authorities who’ve been getting away with trafficking the same victim-blaming “advice” for years. So, yeah, in that case rubber-stamping the same name isn’t just uncreative it’s counterproductive.

Which raises the question: how can Blogando and others pioneer real, local initiatives that do will work where it’s needed most?

Because, yeah, why should anyone feel obliged to use terms in their protests that might have worked in the original location but have zero, or even negative meanings locally?

I haven’t been working on Slutwalk in part because I don’t like the name and I'm not sure I have anything to offer anyway that would offset the minor point that I'm a six foot four inch tall man. But I’d be the first person to get behind a more visibly decentralized movement the minute someone starts one near me. And I’ll be the first to get behind a public initiative you or Blogando initiate near you. Because name notwithstanding that’s what I think it exciting about the Toronto event and it’s successors.

Hey, Now Maybe Ed Schultz Can Interview Gail Dines About Those Dirty SlutWalkers!

Mon, 2011-06-06 15:55

Talking Points Memo says

MSNBC announces Ed Schultz's "triumphant return" to the airwaves after all that 'slut' unfortunateness.

Source: Talking Points Memo

Wouldn't it be interesting if progressive and human-potential activists (feminist and otherwise) spent a tenth of the time slamming MSNBC's decision to "triumphantly" reinstate Schultz, who used the word "slut" in it's usual sense, than they've spent slamming the founders and imitators of SlutWalk Toronto, who organized their protests because they deplore use of the word "slut?"

Because Great Sticks of Butter there's a lot of heated opposition to SlutWalk.  And meanwhile, of all things, MSNBC executives have been more publicly demonstrative against Schultz!

And by that I don't mean that MSNBC execs have been all that great shakes.  Just that too many of the people* who might otherwise have sent testy letters to the network have been otherwise distracted.

I mean, not everyone's been thrilled with the name (I'm not thrilled with it) but you know what?  A lot of people have been thrilled by its spontaneous, non-organized emergence from a single online protest into a very wide-spread, frustration-fueled cluster of independent public actions.

For instance via Jill Filipovic, Jessica Valenti has written

[T]he success of SlutWalks does herald a new day in feminist organizing. One when women’s anger begins online but takes to the street, when a local step makes global waves and when one feminist action can spark debate, controversy and activism that will have lasting effects on the movement.

Source: The Washington Post

Yeah, this is definitely important for a lot of reasons.  Almost none of which have anything to do with the name itself.

Could the organizers in Toronto have come up with a title that was less offensive to collar buttoners of left and right? Sure, if they’d formed a committee and made an org chart and focus-grouped it and recruited Significant Board Members from Around the World and waited for the same brigade of professional-left activists and assholes to show up offering logistical support in exchange for including speakers for their laundry list of unrelated outrages that have diluted every other attempted march and demonstration for the last 20 years. And if they’d known or cared their rump outburst of irritation at a specific word uttered by a specific cop in a specific city in Canada was going to spread to 75 cities and counting then they might have done so.

But they didn’t because, um, they were too busy taking direct action against a direct insult by someone who was so “well-intentioned” but wrong he didn’t even know he had his head up his ass.

And dear sweet mother of pearl, that something like that should take off spontaneously? That it should have bypassed a bunch of amen choir members who’s “activism” consists mainly of leaving gotchas in other bloggers comments? Horrors!

I’m not a huge fan of “reclaim the word X” initiatives (almost 40 years after appreciating a friend’s “That’s Mister Faggot to you” button the word “fag” has lost only a little bit of its sting) I appreciate SlutWalk not just because their intention is more about deploring then word than celebrating it. Because, yeah, it’s pretty much always been a slur and in this instance the Toronto cop’s intention was pure unadulterated anticipatory victim-blaming.  But because they're actually doing something!

It's not that it's the first it’s the first spontaneous mass feminist demonstration ever (heh, um, no.)   Instead it’s the first in North America to originate and translate from the internet to civic action.

I mean yes, yes, the 1970s were a wonderful time for women’s marches! I remember hitch-hiking along with friends to rallies between in Boston and D.C. And goodness knows the sacrifices and successes women made 150 years ago, and 100 years ago, and 50 years ago.

But in the last 20 years though? Well, there was the million-women march (ooh, wonderful giant puppets and always good to see those Free Tibet signs!) And there have been some excellent hyper-local Take Back the Night events.  But otherwise? Not so much. Which is why, at least to me, this is so promising. Because, yeah, we really, really do need to see more activism that's not managed, and not arranged by professionals, and not so routine that the press already knows where to setup their cameras.

But as my dad used to say “you can’t steer a parked car.” I think instead of trying to put the brakes on Slutwalk it might be cool to start crowd-sourcing new points for real-world activism. I mean, wouldn’t it be cool to be able to get a rally going before the mainstreamers, t-shirt vendors, and the YSA “volunteers” and PETA demonstrators sign-waivers could set up for the cameras and otherwise get in the way? I say yes. Too many other people are saying no way… because a handful of non-professional organizers were too focused to pick the “right” name.

Who knows?  Maybe Ed Schultz will to a segment knocking SlutWalk.  To make "amends."

$%!#@y

* By which I mean people on the left: since Schultz used the word to label a conservative wingnut the right-wing noise machine was on it instantly.  Which is probably why MSNBC suspended him at all.

Free-Range Feminist On the Another, Possibly More Important Side of the SlutWalk Message

Sun, 2011-05-01 12:23

Speaking of slut-shaming and victim blaming, I just stumbled across the Tumblr blog Free-Range Feminist. And a few pages in I stumbled across the following image, which is both graphically elegant and absolutely to the point...

Image via Free-Range Feminist Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image via Free-Range Femnist.

But! What I really loved was FRF's comment, about an element I think is just hugely, hugely overlooked.

Or for the police and judges to dismiss the charges.

When you think about it, the main thing that distinguishes rape and sexual assault from virtually* all other forms of assault and battery is that whole "well, she must have been asking for it" mentality. Whole books, blogs, dissertations, and conferences have been held to analyze and discuss the phenomenon of victim blaming. But I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention the elephant-like presence in the room of those who dismiss the charges rather than take them seriously.

Nice to see someone naming names that way: a miniskirt really isn't an excuse -- not to commit rape, obviously, but not to effectively condone it either.

* But see also gay bashing, trans bashing, and xeno-bashing. --fl

Hugo Schwyzer on SlutWalk's Stand Against the Myth of Men as Obligatory Assailants

Fri, 2011-04-08 13:14

Photo via Facebook. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Photo via Facebook from, I think, the Vancouver Sun.

Hugo Schwyzer says in support of the recent "slut walk" protest in Toronto. The emphasis is his but I heartily endorse it.

There are so many things that trouble me about the obsession with regulating women’s bodies. But as a man, I am particularly exasperated at the assumption that lies beneath the insistence on modesty: the myth that men cannot control themselves. As feminists often point out, the real “man-haters” are those who promote modest dress for women out of the belief that men lack self-control. There is nothing more contemptuous than the suggestion that those of us with penises and Y chromosomes are prisoners of our biology, liable to rape or commit infidelity at the first sign of cleavage. The myth of male weakness sells us woefully, heartbreakingly short.

...

SlutWalkers believe in men’s capacity to do two things at once: be aroused by what we see while honoring the humanity of the woman whose body attracts our eye. The most pernicious of all lies about men is that because of our make-up, lust and empathy can’t coexist within us. If you want kind and compassionate men who will respect women’s boundaries, the myth suggests, those women will have to conceal the parts of themselves that will turn men bestial and irresponsible.

We present women with a brutal binary: hide your sexuality and be respected; show your sexuality and be slut-shamed, harassed, or worse. But if ever there were a false dichotomy, rooted in ignorance about male identity, male biology, and male potential, this is it. While none of us want to live in a culture where women are compelled to display those parts of themselves they’d like to keep private, none of us should settle for living in a society where women are compelled to conceal those parts of themselves they’d occasionally like to display.

Source: Hugo Schwyzer

And I'd just add that the man-hating, slut-shaming meme isn't even about protecting women from all men (as a few feminists and most anti-feminists believe.)  Because research from the anecdotal to the latitudinal suggests that only a very small number of men commit the vast majority of sexual assaults.  So the message in the photo, to tell men not to rape, isn't a hopeless pie-in-the-sky recommendation: it's actually quite specific. And, I might add, a very much more-solid policy recommendation that telling all women to remain cloistered in the vestments of nuns, lest all men assault them.

Image suggestion via reader DA

But Momma, the Emperor Isn't Wearing Any Data! Do Statistics Show That "Dressing Like a Slut" Actually Increases Assault Risk?

Fri, 2011-04-01 16:28

Image via SpareCandy.com. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image via SpareCandy.com.

Speaking of "the way she was dressed she must have deserved it," this time it's the Toronto police.

According to The Toronto Sun

"I've been told I'm not supposed to say this," said Constable Michael Sanguinetti during a sexual assault seminar at York University on January 24, 2011. "However, women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

Source: Toronto Sun

I know I'm supposed to be the big hot sex blogger and all that, based in no small part on occasional volunteer experience with sex information and referral services going back to my teens. So I'm embarrassed to say this in the face of what everybody else seems to "know," but...

but...

I'm not aware of any evidence that women who actually dress like "sluts" or "streetwalkers" are attacked at rates any higher than victims who are dressed like schoolmarms!

That doesn't mean there's no such thing. Just that if there is I haven't really heard of it.

If you think you've got some authoritative data -- data that's related to attire and not one of the three major criteria I'm aware of (opportunity, isolation, a perception that the victim can be overpowered or intimidated) I'd love to hear about it.

Really love to hear about it.

Because considering how often it's repeated, or used as after-the-fact justification (by third parties though, oddly, rarely as often by assailants themselves) it sure as shit would be nice to hear about even a little bit hard data to back it up. Although really for all the dead certainty expressed by Constable Sanguinetti and the hundreds of thousands other knee-squeezing twits just like him I'd think there's actually be quite a lot.

What am I missing here?

Update: Actually thing I appear to have missed --

via Sex and the 405 April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

Since a (Formula) Bottle That is Half Full is Equally Half Empty, the 100-Year-Old Debate Is Necessarily Ideological

Thu, 2011-03-03 17:29

Jessica of The Imperfect Parent says of the interminable breast/bottle battle

People, get a grip. The bullying that takes place, especially cyberbullying, over how a mother chooses to feed her baby, is nothing short of bullshit. There is nothing wrong with a mother choosing to formula feed.

On the flip side, nobody should give a flying squirrels butt if a mother loves to breastfeed but it's not something that other mothers should be forced to admire either.

Source: The Imperfect Parent

For the record my siblings and I were nursed right through the very pinnacle of formula feeding and the uttermost ebb of breast feeding.  My grandfather and early La Leche League proponent became an activist in direct response to the health differences he noticed between "scientific diet" fed city infants and breast fed infants of poor, often illiterate "hillbillies" in his mixed urban/rural western North Carolina practice.

But even he didn't panic over the differences.  He wrote a book strongly advocating breast feeding, but he also published a number of papers on normal, healthy children's awesomely omnivorous resilience to the extraordinary number of things people through out the ages, throughout different cultures, and even throughout different neighborhoods give them.

The key word there being healthy children.  Until relatively recently the debate over what was then known as "scientific diet," a debate that largely fueled the turn away from breast milk to formula* was fueled by physicians... who, he observed, dealt primarily with unhealthy infants.  Unhealthy infants require special treatment and special diets because they're unhealthy, not because they're infants.  My grandfather said this was an amazingly difficult concept to communicate.

If he were alive today (he'd be in his 130s) he'd almost certainly opine that it's the very resilience of normal children that's kept the bottle/breast controversy rage for nearly a century.

My main point, though, is that because domestic child nutrition has traditionally been the domain of women, and because the debate is literally unwinnable (at least at a granularity of centuries) the controversy provides an enormous, and enormously popular opportunity for further variations of slut-shaming and policing.

* the word formula itself hints at its origins in the "scientific diet" movement. --fl

More on the Drastically Overlooked, Under-Accounted For Phenomenon of Men Needing to Feel Special

Sun, 2010-10-10 10:47

In comments to my post about the relationship between low self-esteem and privilege/entitlement TLT said

I thought it was me that makes the girl this way.
I came to find out she’s like that every day.
I thought it was me that made that girl so wild.
I found she’s like that with all the guys.

Those lyrics are from a song called “I thought it was me” by an early 90s hip-hop/R&B group called Bel Biv Devoe. Back when it was on the radio every five minutes in the town I lived in, I didn’t think anything about it. (I didn’t even really know what they were talking about.) But I heard it the other day and thought it would make a fantastic opening quote for a book about worthiness and expectations.

If sex is meaningful to you, you’re probably best off only having sex with partners you know well enough to know whether sex is meaningful to them too. It might reduce the number of people you’ll get to have sex with, but that’s vastly preferable to the humiliation of being blown off or finding out that you’re just someone’s person of the week.

She said it here

I still think this is a hugely big deal. You’ll often hear men, MRAs particularly, complaining about the consequences of male “expendability” or perhaps interchangability, including the bitter lament that they’re appreciated only for their ability to provide, to compete, or otherwise do as opposed to be. And most feminists, correctly I think, point out that it’s an artifact of men’s dominant paradigm, and therefore something for men to address. And that since women meanwhile are struggling with the roles that same generally-male paradigm prepares for them, it’s not really feminism’s business to tackle the fact that men screw themselves and each other. And indeed men really can and really should address it. (And doing so would even make feminist’s lives a lot easier.)

But before you can start working on solutions you really have to get clear about the problems. And this self-esteem/privilege/worthiness-trap business really isn’t even well enough recognized, let enough well enough acknowledged, let alone well enough understood to make headway against.

Men might create much of the mindset wherein they mostly aren’t special. But that doesn’t change the fact that they too-often feel that way. Or that they (very mistakenly!) think that women’s role is to affirm their specialness or even to bestow it on them the way a medieval damsel would bestow a kerchief to a knight before a tournament.

But really, that’s not what sex, or even love, is all about. Expecting the fact of a sex partner to validate us, or believing that only the fact of being loved exclusively affirms our worthiness just overloads what’s great about love, sex, companionship, and intimacy and makes it difficult to appreciate it for what it is. Or to appreciate the people we share it with for who they are instead of for what they do.

Thanks to Feminism Karen Owen PowerPoint "Scandal" Brings Only Mild Embarrassment Rather Than Death By Stoning

Fri, 2010-10-08 11:43


Photo “Powerpoint Karaoke” by Flickr user rmlowe. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Via Audrey Rogers of Feminist Law Professors and others

As described at Jezebel.com:  “ Duke [University]  is in an uproar about a highly detailed “fuck list” that a recent female graduate made — in PowerPoint, complete with penis-size evaluations and dirty-talk transcripts.  Upon graduating, the author decided to pass on the wisdom she had learned, in thesis format. The subject: “An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics.” The thirteen subjects are each preceded by a tableau of photos of the men, most of which seem to be pulled from Facebook and athletic action shots.”   

...

She didn’t intend for the report to go “viral” on the Internet, but did e-mail it to 3 friends. Her partners willingly engaged in sex with her, but not to have the details of their encounters rated and published. The case raises interesting and troubling questions over power, sexual freedom, and invasion of privacy.

She said it here.

Aside from Roger’s post and a one-liner in an RHReality Check roundup there hasn’t been much discussion of the event in the 300 or so progressive-political, feminist, and tech/nerd blogs in my newsreader. Which in itself isn’t terrifically surprising — when you think about it except for the author’s sex it sounds like the usual private college humor that escaped into the wild.

It seems to be wildly popular on the more lad-oriented side of the internet. For instance I stumbled across a new-to-me trainspotting-style trivia blog, Anorak.co.uk, which reposted Owen’s powerpoint slides. Their introduction to the slides is fairly straight and uneventful, but they used the headline “Karen Owen’s Duke University Fuck List In Full With Photos (NSFW): When Feminism Bites Back.”

Some commenters were fairly predictably negative

I kept wondering if her pussy smelled bad. Did she go bareback? I love a woman who acts like a slut. I like to watch.

[and]

sounds like a slut looking for attention. this is why us college athletes know which girls to sleep with, and which ones not to sleep with.

But another, Cheryl, gets a little closer to the mark

This is humorous. Most sports jocks in college do think they are the cocks of the walk and brag of their conquests.

Somewhat like Cheryl, above, I think the actual incident falls into the same category as similar stunts by boorish young men: poor judgment, an unfair outing of one’s sex partners without their consent, and momentary embarrassment for the author. And 13 is a little on the high side but still well within the normal range of partners over four years for both college-age men and women. So no big deal there, and anyone who thinks this makes her a “slut” needs to get out more often.

What I don’t get is how this is supposed to represent “feminism biting back.” At best feminism has created an environment where women can be sexually active, let alone admit it, fear of being stoned to death in the village square. At best feminism has created an environment where women can be financially, legally, socially, and politically independent enough not to lock down their laps (like that’s any easier women than it would be for men) until one guy offers to shoulder her complete financial dependence. But that’s just the environment we feminism has helped create — but inside that environment her actions themselves don’t seem either particularly feminist or non-feminist.

Otherwise it just sounds like minus the blow up 14 Duke students, one young woman and 13 young men, had some very enjoyable experiences in college. Without feminism it might only have been 2, with 12 others left wishing it could have been them… or maybe even never knowing what they’d missed at all… or, in the bad-old days before feminism, they’d have found “outlets” in one of the illegal brothels that once could be found on the “wrong side of the tracks” in nearly all college towns. Including Duke. All in all I think those options would bite worse than this.

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