Speaking of restating “all men are potential rapists” as “to a woman, any man can be a potential rapist,” I’d like to talk for just a second about what I think is an overlooked problem with the traditional phrase.
If I can just try it out for a second it goes something like this:
1) The overt obstacle for men… even more so for progressive ones… is that to acknowledge being seen as a potential rapist goes against everything we’re taught to believe as Americans, as progressives, etc., about the evils of stereotyping and blanket oppression of members of a class.
2) The covert obstacle for men is that the accusation blends seamlessly with the way we perceive ourselves anyway — it’s just one more obstacle we believe we have to “seduce” our way through anyway if we want to be in any sort of relationship with women at all (not just sexual ones!)
3) Consequently the grammar of all “but I’m an exception, I’m not a rapist” is identical to every other attempt to form a heterosexual relationship, with the additional and particularly nettlesome layer for men of “well great, not only do I now have to demonstrate first that I’m not a loser and second that I’m not a cad but also third that I’m also not a class-one felon.”
4) In other words minus the perceived criminal allegations the entire relational interactions take place on ground heterosexuals… at least heterosexual men… have already worn into deep, familiar ruts.
5) The problem with all “but I’m not a rapist” arguments is there’s a tacit “unlike all the others who probably are.”
6) With the really problematic… well… problem with number five being yet another tacit clause: “... but I nevertheless feel no obligation to do anything about.”
That last one’s a doozy and, I think, cracking it is one big key to solving the problem with, on the one hand male defensiveness and on the other male indifference. I think rhetorically restating the problem as “to a woman, any man is a potential rapist” makes shirking that obligation a lot more difficult. Not impossible, no*, but definitely more difficult
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I ought to mention that the lightbulb for this went off for me after reading Britni Daniell’s post of A Different Defense of Schrodinger’s Rapist. In which she responds to previous objections by Champagne and Benzedrine and extensively quotes Hugo Schwyzer (from here and here.)
* Because another thing that shakes out of the construction, above, is you know how men appear to value a relationship in proportion to how hard he thinks he has to work for it? Well, to the extent that’s true he’s going to be personally frustrated by the additional layer of mistrust but… I wonder if he’s going to feel more “worthy” if he can “win” a woman over in spite of that? If so then it’s definitely not a good dynamic.
Britni Daniell of Oh My God That Britni’s Shameless and Champers of Champagne and Benzedrine have been having a really good extended conversation about the reality underlying the shorthand phrase “all men are potential rapists.” Oh yeah, and the considerable heat the phrase generates.
Lately (in A Different Defense of Schrodinger’s Rapist for Britni and On Missing the Point for Champers) the friction has stopped producing as much heat and is starting to produce more light instead.
It’s started enlightening me anyway.
Here’s Champers
The large part of the ongoing discussions involve people either defending the phrase ‘All Men are Potential Rapists’ or arguing about how stupid, offensive and inadequate it is. Sadly, this has meant the the meat of the discussion – about how women feel that they’re forced to view every man as a possible sexual predator – has been utterly ignored.
Actually not so much ignored as set aside in order to spend a lot of time saying, basically, “did not/did to.” Which is the nature of a lot of blame-assigning arguments.
Champers’ proposed rewording, one that I also agree wouldn’t apply the “wait a minute” brakes when men hear it, goes like this
To a woman, any man could potentially be a rapist.
I don’t know if you want to call that a semantic difference, or a perspective difference, or a more traditional-gender-friendly difference or what.
But I think it’s a really big difference.
The biggest difference, by the way, is that whatever else you can say about it, that construction steps around the considerable problem of reflex reaction to stereotyping, period, let alone the problem of feeling stereotyped.
At least as importantly, at least to me, is that it’s spoken from the perspective of a woman trying to make the distinction (“to a woman…”) rather than from the perspective of the man who (even if he really is a rapist!) is going to either be put or actively go on the defensive.
Actually let me make that last point another way: by saying “to a woman, any man could potentially be a rapist” is also way harder to refute. For one thing there aren’t a lot of ways to say a woman couldn’t feel that way. And if you foolishly do go there you’re immediately obliged to explain not why you’re not a rapist but how she could be mistaken for her feeling. And… I’m pretty sure a minute or two after you do you’re going to find yourself saying something like “...well, I see your point about…”
Which, when you think about it, is the purpose of good rhetoric.
One further, minor adjustment I’d want to make to that restatement though.
To any onlooker, any man could potentially be a rapist.
That might generate a little more resistance but there’s a point: I might know (accurately or mistakenly*) that I’m not a rapist. But unless I’m someone’s conjoined twin it’s exceedingly unlikely that I can be sure the next guy to my left or right isn’t a possible rapist. Unless you settle for complete extremes (all for, say, Andrea Dworkin, none for, say, Heather MacDonald) then pretty much however you define it some men are rapists** and the vast, vast, vast majority of them don’t exactly advertise it. Which, after all, is the problem noted in the statement in the first place.
Point being that constructing it more broadly strengthens rather than weakens the assertion. And, even better, increases rather than decreases sympathy for the position.
The final benefit of the restatement, either Champer’s specific version or my more general one, is that it locates the problem where it needs to be: a subjective problem for women based on an objective problem in assessing men.
It just feels more like you can do something with that. Do something, anyway, beside insist till you’re blue in the face that a) not all men are rapists (which is perfectly but unhelpfully true) b) that some women are rapists (also true but unhelpful), c) it’s sexist (true under some, but not all, definitions), or especially d) I have a totally socially-conditioned reflex against stereotyping of which “all men are potential rapists” is only a single instance. Oh, and also something even less-helpful than usual, e) to go all Freudian and start proclaiming what awful penalties should be rained down on men if and after they’re caught and convicted… since first of all that’s too late and second of all it doesn’t address anything at all in Champer’s statement of the problem: the penalties simply couldn’t be more draconian than the have been at times in the past and guess what? It was still the case then that “to all women, any man could be a potential rapist.”
Which leaves us with what, exactly? Well, it leaves us, us men especially, pretty much where we are now — not really doing anything about it. Or it leaves us with a good idea where to look for solutions: on the subset of men who are dragging all the rest of us down with them.
(Incidentally, because that whole “well women can be rapists too” keeps coming up, and because some people are going to very reasonably point out that there’s probably no way, ever, to stop all men from being rapists, I’ll just pitch for a combined objective: I’ll say that the problem as stated will be largely resolved if the objective is simply to get the rates at which men are rapists down to the rate at which women are now. At which point, whatever that might be, we can at least stop talking about it as if it was a purely gendered issue and start talking about it as a general one… that, I’m guessing, would tend to have more general solutions.)
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Footnotes:
* Important note: by linking to bmkinney I’m not at all agreeing that the correct construction is to require proof of a negative. —fl
** This is still true even when, as many people reflexively posit, women can be rapists too. —fl
Matthew Yglesias thinks instructively about why people imagine some kinds of preventable deaths are more important than others.
It’s quite true that human beings do not have a great intuitive grasp of statistical arguments or a great love for them. But the world would be a better place if people thought of these things in a more statistically informed way. Likewise it’s true as Jon Chait says that people generally think differently about intentional murders than thinks like car crashes. But this, though it’s definitely a fact of life, is also a problem that it would be good to ameliorate over the long run. People tend to view threats stemming from identifiable, individual villains as more problematic than impersonal ones. But while this is a fact of life, it’s also a mistake. If we do something to very slightly reduce the risk of a terrorist attack that has the inadvertent consequence of causing a large number of additional highway deaths then that would be a mistake.
I’m… fairly confident many of the same principle applies to matters of sex, choice, reproduction and contraception, agency and autonomy, etc. Opposition to hormonal contraception, for instance, not because of the small but real risk of embolism or thrombosis in the woman who takes it but instead an infinitesimal-to-the-point-of-imagination risk that ovulation and fertilization of a hypothetical “life” might somehow magically occur… and yet somehow not implant. To name one. To name another, fanatic willingness to murder healthcare providers in church over abortion but absolute zero, nothing, none interest, at all, in parting a hair to prevent about approximately equal numbers of miscarriages (environmental- or stress-induced or otherwise)... or to do anything at all about stillbirths, infant or maternal mortality, or prevention of childhood deaths from, say, asthma.
But again it’s a general principle. Although expand the scope just a teeny tiny bit and you’re left wondering about the “moral” hesitation in the early 1980s that allowed HIV to become a global epidemic instead of a relatively isolated outbreak, where squeamishness about thousands of “h-word” people (hemophiliacs, heroine users, and homosexuals) mainly in the U.S. allowed it to spread to tens of millions of “pa-word” people (pretty-much anybody.)
You know how there’s that sort of informal recommendation that you replace your smoke-alarm batteries twice a year when daylight-savings time changes? Vanessa of Feministing says there’s a similar movement afoot around backing up your birth control after New Years Eve.
[E]mergency contraception sales more than double the days after New Year’s Eve. It’s good to see someone addressing that; this comes from a new project of the Back Up Your Birth Control Campaign.
Read the quote in context, and find a link to a can’t-help-but-giggle video, here.
To be honest you probably don’t need to replace modern smoke-alarm batteries every six months, though you should check at least twice a year to make sure they work correctly. And to be honest the day after New Years Eve might not be the best time to backup your birth control, as for at least some people the message instead might be to restock. But for those with a serious prospect of partnerships that could result in an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy it’s just as important to keep your emergency (and regular!) contraception up to date as it to make sure your smoke alarms are in working order.
This post is a follow-up on a previous post about men, alcohol, and sexual assault. This post and the previous ones are responses to Jessica Valenti’s post, “A “what about the menz?!” I can get behind,” at Feministing. I recommend extending the current social infrastructure around drunk driving to situations known to lead to “date” or acquaintance rape by the intoxicated perpetrators responsible for a very large class of sexual assaults.
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99% of men, like all adult human beings, can control themselves perfectly well, even when they’ve been drinking. Sure, more people have trouble once they start drinking since one of the first pharmaceutical effects of alcohol is impaired judgment. But humans have this amazing capacity to a) make plans in anticipation and b) to make social arrangements with friends, as for instance, when arranging for a designated driver, for friends to “take away my keys,” and so on in order to forestall a bad decision to attempt to drive while drunk.
In fact, even when someone doesn’t plan ahead there’s still the social effect of #b, above, where even if you haven’t made arrangements in advance people now have it pretty ingrained that they don’t let friends drive drunk. It’s even ingrained enough that most people, even when drunk, will back down when reminded they shouldn’t drive.
You don’t have to be that old to remember when people said that was impossible. Now? Not so much. Plus, now it’s such a faux pas to ignore the advice of friends and even strangers that a transgressor will have difficulty living it down next day. The good news about that is that pretty much any skepticism people might have today about men’s inability or reluctance to avoid drunkenly assaulting dates or acquaintances is identical to the skepticism Designated Driver and other anti-drunk-driving campaigns when they came out. One big difference? The drunk-driving campaigns had nothing to point to and say we can do it like that.
Would a campaign to include the same kinds of pre-agreements and social pressure against drunken sexual assault that we have against drunk driving be 100% effective? No. It hasn’t been 100% effective against driving. But a policy doesn’t have to be 100% effective to be worth undertaking, and those anti-drunk-driving initiatives have been very effective.
Finally, one reason an initiative doesn’t have to be 100% effective to be worth it (besides the obivous one of fewer perpetrators and victims) is that it makes it harder for the 1-6% of repeat offenders to “blend into the background.” Just like hard-core drunk drivers are more visible and confrontable now that most decent people know to hand over their keys, serial date-rapists would have far less cover for their activities.
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By the way, if I was to implement, say, a campus-wide drunken hookup policy I’d probably use a “too drunk to drive, too drunk to competently hookup” metric. That doesn’t have to mean everybody has to go home alone if they’ve been drinking, just that at that point it ought to be socially acceptable for friends to, for instance, check in with a couple that’s heading up the stairs the way they’d check in if they were headed out to their car. And even a strict policy ought to account for cases where both parties have agreed to hookup before they got hammered. (Yes, I’m aware that drinking is almost universally sanctioned on campuses. I said if I was implementing the policies. And campus policies just mean the initiative would have to be informal rather than official.)
Wow, the twittersphere was just all aflutter about some college student asking the President if he’d considered legalizing prostitution and/or drugs as a way to stimulate the economy. That was, what, three days ago and it’s still getting retweeted.
Anyway, I thought Matthew Yglesias put the reaction nicely in perspective (emphasis mine.)
I think it’s obvious you can’t end the recession by legalizing prostitution and drugs. But at the same time, it should also be obvious that there are real economic costs associated with the prohibition of these activities and politicians ought to actually justify asking people to bare those costs. This is particularly pressing because the laws in question are so selectively enforced. Elliot Spitzer had his political career derailed by prostitution, but he’s not in jail. Does Obama think the world would be a better place if Spitzer were serving hard time? What about Senator David Vitter, Republican of Louisiana? For that matter, does Obama think the world would be a better place if he’d been caught using drugs back in the day and sent to jail?
Presumably not. But to have laws on the books that the national elite fully intends never to apply to themselves or their families is ridiculous. I don’t want to see hookers and blow available for sale at the corner store, but there’s enormous scope for the reform of our policy in this area.
That’s a classic example of what I called (beginning in the days before Twitter) a twits vs substance problem. It’s not that drugs or prostitution is right or wrong (you can still be a twit about something that’s completely legal… see Britney Spears 24-hour marriage, for instance.) It’s that generally speaking the tut-tutting is done by people who don’t think the item in question is all that serious on the nominal behalf of… other people who also don’t take it terribly seriously in their own lives.
It’s like what Paul Graham says in Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age about swearing: grownups swear around each other but pretend not to in front of children; meanwhile children swear around each other but pretend not to in front of adults.
Speaking for myself I don’t think it would be a good thing if Barack Obama had gone to jail for smoking marijuana or whatever when he was a young man. I don’t even think it would be a good thing if Sen. Vitter was jailed for paying sex workers to make him wear diapers. (I don’t think he should be a United States Senator, at all, but that’s not why.)
Meanwhile, though, as Yglesias says, the race to publicly pretend to be maximally concerned makes it very difficult to be meaningfully concerned, which in turn makes it very difficult to enact and enforce meaningful policies.
The author of Ask a Manager answers an unfamiliar question with grace and aplomb
[Question] “My co-worker is a very open person and tells me to cover for her every time she has to leave the office. Our boss and manager are not here half the time so when they are not, my co-worker leaves either early and/or takes a really long lunch. At the beginning, the excuse for leaving early was because of a date. But she later told me that she’s actually sleeping with people for money. She comes back all proud, telling me how much money she made in an hour.”
[Answer] I’d just be straightforward with her and tell her: “I don’t care what you do in your personal life, but while you’re off making money, you’re leaving me to pick up the slack here. You’re putting me in a bad position, because you’re asking me to cover for you and you’re leaving me with more work.”
The comment threads are pretty interesting too, some judgmental, some libertarian, some addressing it as a law and order question, others as a straight-up work problem.
A woman from New Zealand takes a similar approach to the Manager
Here in New Zealand it’s not an illegal activity and I would deal with it as suggested above. However if it was an illegal activity, say dealing drugs, then I would be informing management immediately.
The last comment at the moment (dated Nov. 30th) is from the author of the original question clarifying some of the assumptions in comments.
Well I wrote this email in an effort to guide me in the right direction, but really it is easier said than done. I totally agree that prostitution is illegal and she shouldn’t be doing that, but in reality it is a victimless crime. I can not call the cops on her because I just don’t have the heart to do that.
She is really a very good person and is an excellent mother. Most of the people who post comments here assume that since she is selling her body she must be a bad mother. She is not giving that example to her kids. For her kids she works only in the office. Her kids are her priority. Although, I do not agree with her spending habits she provides the best she can for her kids.
Kind of takes away some of the cartoonish shorthand in standard debates about sex work. She’s clearly not “trafficked,” and it would be very difficult to construct her as a victim, a thrall, or dehumanized. But she’s leaving her day-job co-workers holding the bag and pulling her freight plus abusing her responsibilities to her employer.
And yet more evidence that single, blanket characterizations of sex workers, or single, blanket policies for dealing with sex work, would be inadequate to its complexity.
Speaking of ethnic and cultural ignorance while thinking about the audacity of dope among so-called “birthers” who imagine that President Obama would be uncircumcised if he had secretly been born to Muslim parents in Kenya, Indonesia, or for that matter Hawaii I started wondering if the statistics being used by the CDC to recommend universal circumcision demonstrated real biological differences or only cultural/religious behavioral ones.
Because while it might be great if the mechanical act of being circumcised reduced one’s risk of acquiring HIV from unprotected sex. It would be kind of… unfortunate if being culturally and religiously Jewish, Muslim, Protestant Christian, or one of the much smaller subcultures worldwide that emphasize circumcision and… a lot of other hygiene, monogamy or fidelity-related, and discouraged use of alcohol and injection drugs.
I don’t know. But I’d probably want to find out before I endorsed or bitterly mocked proposals of universal circumcision to prevent contracting HIV. Or, for that matter before I endorsed or mocked proposals for universal adoption of Judeo/Christian/Islamic conventions.
Or said “who needs condoms if I’m already circumcised.” Which I suspect is what vast numbers of men are likely to say should the recommendation come down.
(Just to be clear I don’t know if social correlations have been made. But do I want to know.)
A younger friend of mine has this job. She was recruited into it at a very early age… not even twelve when she started doing it. She was very good at it — wound up making far more as an “amateur” than any of the other kids in her school. When she turned 18 she discovered she could make quite a bit more if she kept doing it than she could with any of the other entry-level jobs that were available to her. So she turned pro. Now, as she approaches her 30s, she’s growing weary of it and wondering if she’s up for it anymore and wondering even harder what she could do instead that would make anything like the same money, in this economy. Especially considering how she’s specialized in her particular skills, how she barely made it through high school, and how her prospects of going to college or even a trade school are pretty dim.
There’s a lot of heartache in her line of work. She develops sometimes intensely personal and intimate relationships with her clients but no matter how close they become the clients always move on, always lose interest. And though she tries to keep tabs on them they often forget about her entirely.
Laura AgustÃn of Border Thinking on Migration, Culture, Economy and Sex says my friend may soon have a hard time getting a visa to do it in Canada. For her own “protection.”
[Canadian Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Jason Kenny’s] ministry issued a media release stating that the proposed amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act will “protect vulnerable foreign workers such as exotic dancers and live-in caregivers who could be victims of exploitation”.
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According to Wong, one measure to evaluate the vulnerability of a person is insufficiency of funds. “If we allow them in, we are actually putting them in great risk,” Wong told the Straight. Wong confirmed that the bill is driven by Conservatives’ aversion to foreign strippers in Canada. “That is one of the major concerns because, legally, according to admissible criteria, these workers can come in but experience has told us that once they come in, they will be exploited,” she said.
Erika Del Carmen Fuchs of the Justicia for Migrant Workers B.C. doesn’t agree with the Conservative approach. Fuchs told the Straight: “If there’s a problem with human trafficking, they should go after traffickers, not the people being trafficked.”
In May, two Filipino caregivers alleged mistreatment by Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla’s family. The caregivers claimed that they worked 12 to 16 hours a day and that their passports were confiscated. If the bill becomes law and is applied to cases similar to the Dhalla affair, Kurland said that the only remedy available for caregivers would be to get kicked out of Canada.
My friend is a professional nanny.
This is not to say nannying and, say, stripping are directly equivalent professions. But they evidently are similar enough to be treated the same way by… particularly thumb-fingered and/or heartless lawmakers.
Personally I think if one were trying to make workers safer, especially immigrant workers, it would be a better idea to actually protect the workers instead of outlawing them.
A younger friend of mine has this job. She was recruited into it at a very early age… not even twelve when she started doing it. She was very good at it — wound up making far more as an “amateur” than any of the other kids in her school. When she turned 18 she discovered she could make quite a bit more if she kept doing it than she could with any of the other entry-level jobs that were available to her. So she turned pro. Now, as she approaches her 30s, she’s growing weary of it and wondering if she’s up for it anymore and wondering even harder what she could do instead that would make anything like the same money, in this economy. Especially considering how she’s specialized in her particular skills, how she barely made it through high school, and how her prospects of going to college or even a trade school are pretty dim.
There’s a lot of heartache in her line of work. She develops sometimes intensely personal and intimate relationships with her clients but no matter how close they become the clients always move on, always lose interest. And though she tries to keep tabs on them they often forget about her entirely.
Laura AgustÃn of Border Thinking on Migration, Culture, Economy and Sex says my friend may soon have a hard time getting a visa to do it in Canada. For her own “protection.”
[Canadian Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Jason Kenny’s] ministry issued a media release stating that the proposed amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act will “protect vulnerable foreign workers such as exotic dancers and live-in caregivers who could be victims of exploitation”.
...
According to Wong, one measure to evaluate the vulnerability of a person is insufficiency of funds. “If we allow them in, we are actually putting them in great risk,” Wong told the Straight. Wong confirmed that the bill is driven by Conservatives’ aversion to foreign strippers in Canada. “That is one of the major concerns because, legally, according to admissible criteria, these workers can come in but experience has told us that once they come in, they will be exploited,” she said.
Erika Del Carmen Fuchs of the Justicia for Migrant Workers B.C. doesn’t agree with the Conservative approach. Fuchs told the Straight: “If there’s a problem with human trafficking, they should go after traffickers, not the people being trafficked.”
In May, two Filipino caregivers alleged mistreatment by Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla’s family. The caregivers claimed that they worked 12 to 16 hours a day and that their passports were confiscated. If the bill becomes law and is applied to cases similar to the Dhalla affair, Kurland said that the only remedy available for caregivers would be to get kicked out of Canada.
My friend is a professional nanny.
This is not to say nannying and, say, stripping are directly equivalent professions. But they evidently are similar enough to be treated the same way by… particularly thumb-fingered and/or heartless lawmakers.
Personally I think if one were trying to make workers safer, especially immigrant workers, it would be a better idea to actually protect the workers instead of outlawing them.