spanking

So. Spanking. Is It Really So Much a "Girl On the Bottom" Thing That That's Why It's Always Framed That Way

I’m still so trying to wrap my little brain around the idea that it’s 99% hetero women’s partners spanking them rather than the other way around.

No knocks on Em & Lo, who's post about their new book (150 Shades of Play: A Beginner's Guide to Kink ) prompted this post. They lean heavily though not completely men-spank/women-are-spanked.  But the mix for heteros seems so common as to make generalizations like that fine.

I’m just curious about the physics, or anatomy here. Because even doing non-”spanking” tapotement (those kind of “karate chops” with the edge and flat of the hands massage therapists use) seems to get way more women’s motors running than men’s. Or is it the psychology? I’ve almost never heard of gay men routinely spanking each other outside the context of more intentional BDSM. And it’s almost never mentioned by lesbians. And, maybe even more perplexing, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of bi men carrying spanking over to male partners, nor bi women requesting spankings from their female partners.

Do I just not get out enough anymore (entirely possible?) Or is this really an overwhelmingly majority-hetero activity?

And don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with it being majority hetero, if that’s what it is. What gets our motors running in bed is or should be entirely separate from what motivates our conduct elsewhere. I’m just curious about the source of the apparent differences.


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Logical But Not Necessarily Intuitive: Boundaries and Consent Go Both Ways

Photo by Flickr user robotclaw. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Photo by Flickr user robotclaw. Used under a Creative Commons license.

A reader with the pen name Slap Unhappy asked Em & Lo for advice with the following situation.

My wife and I have been together just over five years. The other night while having sex, she asked me to slap her in the face. Repeatedly. I was raised not to lay a hand down on a woman, and now I am being asked to. We are pretty active and broad in our sexual tastes, but this one is kind of weird to me. Thoughts, ideas?

– Slap Unhappy

Source: Em & Lo

First of all, I recommend reading E&L's response, which is both informative and thoughtful.  But the question brings up another dimension that I don't think is explored often enough.

Back in the late 1970s or early 1980s I ended up breaking up with someone early in a relationship because she wanted me to slap her. It just totally freaked me out. A few years later I was really freaked out when a partner told me she was terribly turned on by spanking.

It wasn’t that I didn’t know about BDSM. In fact I’d done a fair amount of bondage and coercion role-playing. But neither of those partners had seemed the least bit interested — they’d just had previous partners who’d done it to them and they’d discovered they liked it.

My loss in retrospect, and of course theirs too.

What I didn’t understand at the time, and it’s really important for Slap Unhappy too, is that boundaries and respect for boundaries are really important not just to protect the sub, and in more gendered terms they’re not there just to protect the woman.

You’re absolutely right that, especially when we’re turned on, people can withstand far more “impact” than their partners may be psychologically or even physically comfortable giving. (Psychologically as in Unhappy’s and my case where hitting someone went against ingrained upbringing. And physically it often hurts one’s hand more to spank someone than it hurts the spankee’s bottom.)

So anyway, while it might be Unhappy’s partner’s wildest turn on to be slapped, if it’s a turn-off for him then she needs to a) recognize that it’s a boundary issue for him, b) negotiate to see if there’s a way to make him comfortable enough to consent, and if not then c) respect his boundary and his decision not to participate.

Oh, and possibly if he goes ahead anyway then she may also need to d) help work with him through what I’m going to call potential “top drop” afterwards. Because what he might agree to try he might still be bummed about after.

Bottom line: We don’t usually think of boundaries and consent as moving in the direction of the top, or in heterosexual relationships as working towards the man. But boundaries are boundaries and consent is consent and when they’re confronted it’s important that they be respected regardless of who’s boundaries they are or who’s consent is required.

It’s always ok to say no.


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Poolside BDSM?


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Having just repeated myself with a serious post from my pile of drafts here’s a non-serious one from the draft pile I’m… pretty sure I’ve never brought up before. It’s based on observations while hanging with my children in a mid-western municipal swimming pool this summer.

So on a sweltering mid-west day the relatives we were visiting suggested we go visit the nearby swimming pool to cool off. We agreed instantly, especially since our children and theirs were going stir crazy in the too-small-for-two-families house, effectively trapped inside by the heat.

Once I’d finally cooled off in the water long enough to be able to think clearly again I started watching the local youth playing their half-flirt/half-showoff games by the diving boards. They were all pretty accomplished divers (to my relatively untrained eye anyway) but at one point one of the young men upped the ante by yelling at another to do a belly flop. The man on the board took the challenge and landed a whopper, let out a huge groan when he surfaced, and then challenged the rest to follow suit as he swam to the side.

Maybe eight or ten, mostly men but a few hardy young women as well, followed suit. Some people went more than once. My observation? Even through a summer-long tan a belly-flop leaves red marks on the down-side of the body. If you’ve ever landed a belly flop yourself you gotta know it just plain hurts, and some of these people were really trying to get some air before their landings. But between the adrenaline, cheering and being cheered on, and just the general camaraderie they… Ok, I can’t say they didn’t mind that it hurt, it just didn’t bother them that it did.

Not the way, say, they would have seriously minded getting a similar all-body whopping as corporal punishment in a different setting — say, instead of school detention.

That’s sort of the difference I’ve noticed between BDSM and ordinary physical abuse as well — attitude, and maybe arousal and adrenaline make a huge difference.

Not a huge insight, I’m sure, and probably an eyeball roller for people more in to spanking than I’ve ever gotten. But something to remember while processing one’s reactions, and possible triggers, while contemplating consensual BDSM.

One question, though. While I’m sure I could Google up a porn site somewhere that’s got nothing but naked people doing belly flops (so confident, actually, that I’m not even going to bother looking) I wondered then, and I’m finally asking now…

Ever heard of a lazy top telling their sub to do belly and/or back flops? Any subs out there who’d think that would be hot? (Because, seriously, anything inside anything dungeon-y in the midwest in the summer has got to be some kind of miserable-hot, not hot-hot.)

Thanks in advance.


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Cosmopolitan

Quote of the day from Holly of The Pervocracy

Cosmo suggested that to get kinky and taboo, I could wear sexy lingerie or give him an oil massage or—so very naughty—pretend we were strangers. Drew rolled up the magazine and spanked me with it.

She said it here.

Finally, a non-humiliating use for that @*%!#$ magazine. Because while nobody has to be kinky and taboo, if you’re going to you probably don’t want to try any direct method Cosmopolitan (or it’s insecurit-industry brethren like Details for men) tend to suggest. (I think even 50 years on Cosmo occasionally hints that woman-on-top is kinky and taboo.)


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Spare the Rod or Really Mess Up the Child

While I was cleaning the kitchen this afternoon and waiting for lunch to heat up (grilled pepper jack cheese and tomato on sprouted grain) it occurred to me what, exactly, has bugged me about the institution of spanking children. And I nearly lost my appetite.

Back in the 1920s, 1930’s, and into the 1950’s my grandfather wrote pediatric advice books as well as columns in various parenting magazines. Although a lot of what he said sounds a little, um, quaint to us today he was fiercely progressive. He was a passionate supporter of the La Leche League, endorsed eating healthy whole foods for health, he was opposed to routine male circumcision, and (the point) he really bucked the trend by rejecting spanking and other forms of corporal punishment for children. He never spanked any of his children, and while I remember my mom or dad spanking me once or twice when I was very young it must not have worked because they’d stopped before was what would have been pre-school aged. And, continuing the theme, my partner nor I have ever spanked my children.

And, sorry, but having read maybe one too many adult posts, or articles, or having heard maybe one too many personal testimonials extolling spanking as sexual foreplay I’m… just not comfortable with the idea of spanking as corporal punishment for children. Sorry, I’m just not.

And I don’t want to hear that “it doesn’t really hurt them that much.” Uh, uh, if it doesn’t hurt but it affects them through some other mechanism what’s that mechanism? Conflicted feelings of erotic sensation imposed by custodial/authority figures maybe? Sheeah, that’s going to make me more accepting.

I mean, for crying out loud, I’m pretty sure if these people were, I dunno, pinching their children’s nipples or some other non-genital behavior associated with adult BDSM the offender would, appropriately, find him or herself first in jail and then on a sex offender registry. So why, exactly, do we stand idly by while unsupervised parents eroticize their children’s asses? (And what, exactly, is the motivation behind emphasizing “bare bottom” spanking anyway? I mean WTF?)

Sorry. Time out works great. Sitting on the stairs works great. Losing computer time works great. Loss of play-date privileges works great. Long-boring-grownups-talking-about-consequences works too. You want to spank somebody, though, save it for a consenting adult. Where it’s appropriate. M’kay?

Because spanking kids? Eww! It’s not just wrong, it’s sick and wrong. And it’s not just sick and wrong, the more I think about it the more it’s just (the wrong kind of) perverted.


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Sex Positivity Exercise

Anyway now that I’ve sort of aired out what it does and doesn’t mean, let’s look at a specific example SugarMag raised in the comment that prompted me to write this post:

[W]hat about the whole Christian husband spanking wife thing that has web sites that say “yeah ok it is kind of sexy but also biblical and good for the marriage, women really need to be spanked blah blah blah” and they say they are anti feminist (which seems pretty obvious).

This is one of those places where you can’t just pick up a “sex-positive” stick and start whacking way.

On the one hand there’s no question that receiving tapotement (as neutral a word for percussive stroking of the buttocks as I can find) turns on a lot of people, male and female. And for quite a few others, adding emotional, psychological, or historical/cultural/traditional elements adds to their and their partner’s appreciation. So even if tapotement (ok, spanking) isn’t your cup of tea there’s broad but not universal agreement that if it’s between adults who consent for mutual erotic gratification then it’s consistent with sex positivity.

On the other hand there are a couple of other sort of warning signs. Using tradition and, especially, gendered power/hierarchy traditions to cover up the “ok it is kind of sexy” suggests that it would be wrong to instead request to spank or to be spanked for plain old sexual arousal. That crosses the shame boundary and therefore isn’t consistent with sex-positivity.

Furthermore, making a universal judgment that all women “need to be spanked” for “biblical” purposes (yeah, like the Bible’s clear about that) is inconsistent.

Two other principles (no controlling another’s sexuality, gender-free perspective) with the idea that it’s a gender necessity for all male partners to control all female partners. That pretty much all such groups forbid women from spanking men is another inconsistency with the sex-positive tenet of gender-free perspectives.

And finally, there’s the huge point that claiming religious, moral, or traditional authority for the practice of husbands spanking their wives in order to “control” them collides massively with the sex-positive principle that everyone has the freedom to decline.

So while it’s not a clear-cut as “nope, it’s always wrong” or “it’s always right,” SugarMag provides a great example of how easy it can be to be “pro sex” without being “sex positive.”


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A philosophical question for P. Burke

While offering blogday congratulations to M. Feuillet de Figue Feuille de Vigne,* Philadelphia Burke said:

One of my favorite things about your blog is the atmosphere in the comments section. I feel pretty nervous about conversing over the Internet (one reason I couldn’t keep up the momentum on my own blog), but nobody here has ever made me feel belittled or uncomfortable. It’s not like everybody agrees about everything but the regulars are respectful of each other, and disrespectful people don’t stick around for too long.

Sorry to hear that because I truly enjoyed reading your blog, Philadelphia. Perhaps a philosophical question may entice you to resume blogging. If I recall correctly, your examination of Wittgenstein was quite thorough. So this question is for you, although others are encouraged to reply if so moved.

If, for as long as I could remember, I had an interest in spanking, would it be correct to classify that knowledge as a priori? However, if I realized I was an enthusiast only after I was spanked, would that knowledge be classified as a posteriori?

;-)

* Note: Here I need the assistance of one who has a command of both the English and French languages. A in France: is “M. Feuillet de Figue” the appropriate translation for “Mr. Figleaf”? I thought that combining the masculine “feuillet” and the feminine “figue” would be a good choice considering his views on gender stereotypes. But, like too many Americans, I am a monolinguistic dolt, so please advise.
Update: my linguistic knuckles have been rapped by Zeborah, who explains in her comments, “Re “feuillet” – no, you can’t do that…” This author is appropriately red-faced and grateful to receive such prompt instruction. As for the long-awaited never-delivered spanking promised by M. Feuille de Vigne, the author has resigned herself to the fact that she may be the first blogger to be spanked posthumously.
;-(


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Spanky and Goofy sittin' in a tree

I mentioned Goose and Gander in an earlier post admiring, among other things, the combination of sensuality and silliness they bring to their BDSM and multiple-partner sexual encounters.

Along those lines, then, I’d like to highlight a point Greta Christina makes about the way we too often treat sex as if it were a job interview, a surgical operation, a tournament round, or a church service…

The thing is, sex — both vanilla and kinky — can often feel so very serious, all fraught and intense and laden with meaning and consequence. And while that can be lovely, it can also be a burden, adding this lead weight of self-consciousness and anxiety that really doesn’t help the proceedings.

... in the course of just totally knocking two related issues out of the park: the negative connotations of spanking, and the embarrassment of being seen by others with “o-face” in a serious pean to silliness in sex.

But spanking is right on the border between the two. It’s just transgressive enough to make you feel like a freak — and it’s just un-transgressive enough to make you feel like a dork. You can beg your partner to beat you, or stand over them with a whip in your hand, and feel like an outlaw and a rebel. But it’s very hard to say “Please spank me” and not feel at least a little bit like a nerd. When you’re bent over someone’s lap with your pants pulled down, or caressing someone’s bare bum getting ready to give them a good smack, it can feel like a crowd of invisible vanilla people is standing alongside, cringing and saying, “Ew, gross, you’re into that?” — while a crowd of invisible sadomasochists stands next to them, rolling their eyes and saying, “Oh, puh-leez. Give me a break.” You get the silly feeling from both sides of the vanilla/pervert spectrum.

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But that’s not what I’m talking about here. What I’m talking about is the connection between silliness and playfulness. The fact that it’s hard to take spanking too seriously can create a certain freedom to simply enjoy it.

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And when you come right down to it, any kind of sexuality can look pretty darned silly. When you think about any type of sex too closely and imagine what it might look like to visiting space aliens, it all can seem outrageously, mortifyingly ridiculous. Now, you can deal with the absurdity of sex by simply ignoring it and not letting it get to you. And there are times when that’s the right thing to do. But there are times when it’s completely appropriate to accept the absurdity, and revel in your inner dorkiness. And when you’re whipping yourself into a sexual frenzy by spanking a bare bottom or getting your own bottom spanked, that might be a good time to start.

She said it here.

To this day I’ve regretted never making the connection between various partner’s reactions to spanking-like activities, and I seriously regret (and someday hope to apologize) for sort of freaking out at the partners who hinted they’d get off on me spanking them. (This in the face of me being perfectly comfortable playing the top in sometimes quite heavy bondage games, sometimes with the same partners.) Anyway, Christina exactly gets to the root of why it’s not the big, or exotic, or even particularly kinky deal it’s often made out to be. (Mea culpa: that I too have made as big a deal out of as anyone else.)

As for how silly we look when we have sex? Particularly when compared to photographed or filmed media representations which are, by definition, dramatic reenactments rather than actual experience? Oh well, we’ve usually got a choice between looking good and feeling good. Me? Once you recognize where they’re coming from, the shift of sensation from cerebrum to brain stem, the shift from facial expression to body expression? My, my that kind of “silly” looking is about as sexy looking as we can be.


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The word of the day is tapotement: Spanking new attitude

So I realized I used to be horrified by the idea of sexual spanking because I remembered real spankings. After 10 years of parenting, when I haven’t once feeling inclined to use physical discipline, I realize I don’t have that association with it anymore.

Which means…

if I told you to put your hands on the back of the couch
and reached for the buttons around your waist
and slowly lowered any zippers I might encounter
and helped any reluctant fabric find it’s way to your ankles
and ran the backs of my fingertips from your heels
up, up, up,
to the back of your neck
and asked you to stand on your tiptoes
and if I bent forward for a moment to bury my face in your hair
and whisper “are you ready”
before stepping back behind you
and raising my open palm…

The word of the day is tapotement.


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