stereotyping

Red No. 3 on Alt-Objectification in Particular and All Objectification in General

Sat, 2011-11-26 08:56

So over the years you might have noticed that some people stereotype the owl-poop out of whole classes of people. It's not always malign or dismissive. Sometimes stereotyping can arise from positive or shared experiences with individuals that... can get spatula'ed onto everyone who matches the "category" in question. Which might be fine if the category of persons all really were as a) ideal as claimed, and b) as interchangeable as claimed. Oh, and c) as willing to be homogenized in someone else's mind with all the thousands or millions of individuals the onlooker imagines they resemble.

When one does this -- when one opines that "oh, 'all Africans' are so beautiful and accepting" (based, say, on your Peace Corps experience in a single village in a country continent (almost) bigger and more populous than all of North and South America put together) or "Asians are my favorite students" or "ooh, librarians are hot," etc. -- one may have nothing but the best intentions but one is still engaging in objectification.

One can be no less objectifying even if the category one is drawn to is more often negatively stereotyped. In fact, one can be no less objectifying even when you yourself are a member of the negatively stereotypes category.

I mention this first because one of the most controversial forms of objectification revolves around sexual attraction. And second, because I stumbled across a pretty cool post by new-to-me male fat activist Brian of Red No. 3 who does a very cool job of distinguishing attraction from objectification.

So, I’ve noticed some of my fellow male fat admirers throwing tantrums when women object to be sexualized without consent. These dudes whine about how the women are telling them aren’t allowed to find fat bodies attractive.

Cut that shit out. Like now.

No one is out to confiscate your boners. Sexual attraction to fat bodies is totally awesome. There may be people out there who want to shame you for your sexuality, but its not these women. So, by all means, holster your outrage and listen up.

The issue these women are complaining about isn’t sexual attraction. They are asking to be treated with respect and dignity. Try not to be shocked at this stunning request. You still get that be sexually attracted to fat women. Just, maybe respect them.

And actually, strike that maybe.

Source: Red No. 3

It's definitely worth reading the whole thing. It's ok to be attracted. It's just not ok to forget the who who always and necessarily goes with your what.

Actually, if I can briefly bring in another contentious term, we're all entitled to our preferences. In fact try not being! We are not, however, and never can be entitled to the favors or affections all or even any individuals who happen to embody our preferences.

The rest of Brian's post is similarly sharp and it would be great if you just went and read the whole post. One thing I really appreciate is the way he invokes both altruism and self-interest.

This is especially important for fat women who already live in a culture that conspires to desexualize them. They often find themselves in scenarios where they are told to choose between never being desired sexually or always being objectified sexually. That’s fucked up and wrong. You should be able to know that by just basic empathy, but I’d submit that as fat admirers its in our interest to combat thin privilege and male privilege. Not just because standing with our current or prospective romantic and sexual partners on issues of basic human dignity is the right thing to do (though that really should be enough), but its in our self-interest, too. Those restricted options women face impact us, too. We are being taught that our sexuality is wrong and that if we act upon it that we are deviants. We are told we don’t deserve to open, loving relationships with partners we are sexually attracted to. We are told we shouldn’t date them because they are “unhealthy”. We are told there must be some defect that causes our sexuality. We are being denied the opportunity to embrace our sexuality in the ways men with conventional attractions take for granted. The women who complain about objectification of fat women aren’t trying to take away our sexuality, they are trying to fight for it! We should stand with them and resist those who tell us to sexualize and objectify fat women because they don’t deserve better and we don’t deserve better.

This is just brilliant. When we judge and objectify we subject ourselves to equal objectification and judgment and consequently we reduce ourselves in the eyes of others.

 

And this is a universal point. Brian ends his post by opening his point

Oh, and if you’re a dude who isn’t a fat admirer, feel free to take the word “fat” out above and it apply the same to you because we all know you dudes do this shit, too.

I'd just add, finally, that the likelihood that it's men who get called for objectification is more an artifact of prior dating conventions than something (stereotypically!) innate to men: as more women take the initiative in dating, as more and more women continue to ask rather than wait to be asked, it'll be easier to notice how objectification tends to be more of a human characteristic than a gendered one.

Jesse Bering Claims Lesbians are Funnier Than Straight Women, Thinks Sociobiology and Butch Brain Cells Explain Why

Sun, 2011-02-27 00:07

Jesse Bering just can't get enough of that sociobiology. This time, in a post about how an allegedly tiny number of female humorists are "crowded out on the roster of female comedy all-stars by a long list of Sapphic wise-girls" he volunteers the following explanation for why there are two, like, totally different kinds of senses of humor, one, "humor production" for boys, another, "humor receptivity," is for girls.

And of course, maybe because it's about men being "productive" and women just "receptive," Bering naturally gravitates to the sexual selection solution.

The authors [of the study Bering is expanding on here] interpret these data, and similar data, by drawing from psychologist Geoffrey Miller’s ideas about the evolution of humor. Miller has argued that ancestral males’ ability to produce entertaining humor demanded a set of heritable cognitive skills, including intelligence and creativity, and thus was a hard-to-fake signal of genetic quality. Due to the sexes’ differential investment in reproduction (just at a coital level alone, about 90 seconds versus 9 months), women would have evolved to be more receptive to signs of genetic quality than males. Men, meanwhile, would have been on the lookout for women who responded positively to their humor.

Source: Scientific American

If Miller really thinks that then he's an idiot. Not because it's implausible, though it is. But because maybe, just maybe, not everything about "reproductive fitness" is about the reproduction part.

For instance I wonder if... naw... couldn't possibly be... you could test his hypothesis by assessing whether men are more likely to joke around women (which would help confirm his hypothesis) or around mixed company (which would be the null hypothesis if one wasn't a sociobiology fetishist) or around other men. Which it seems to me would be at least as effective at helping men defuse tension between rivals, boost morale when things looked bad, enhance camaraderie and thus group bonding, and so on.

What are the odds that male bonding, morale boosting, and tension defusing might increase men's likelihood of surviving long enough to be reproductively successful? Oh, right, silly me, the only possible sources of selective pressure in humans were spreading seed and avoiding leopards.

Similarly, if I was to try and test the "humor receptivity" side of Miller's hypothesis I might also look to see if more women are found in comedy audiences, whether men and women are equally likely to appreciate other people's humor, or if men are more likely to listen to and laugh at other men's jokes.

Oh, and hey, here's Bering with another welcome notion:

Researchers who study homosexuality have discovered that the brains of many lesbians were over-exposed to male hormones during prenatal development, influencing not only their adult sexual orientation, but also masculinizing other behavioral and cognitive traits in which there exist innate sex differences. This is not true of all lesbians, but it is especially true for those who exhibit male-typed profiles. So it is not implausible that some lesbians’ courtship strategies would largely mimic opposite-sex-typed patterns, including a differentiated capacity for humor production that attracts female attention. This would not be a conscious strategy, it must be emphasized, and indeed this is what many critics of evolutionary psychology repeatedly fail to realize.

And finally, if I was to try and test Bering's "lesbians have little penises inside their brains that make them act like men" hypothesis, and maybe backup Miller's humor-receptivity hypothesis, I might check out the audience composition of women comedians (lesbian and otherwise.) Would we see more women in the audience, equal numbers of men and women, or more men? Remember, if any men at all show for women comedians, or appreciate their senses of humor, that's going to substantially complicate the "women evolved to laugh at men's jokes" notion.

Also, yeah, I guess the first thing people always say about humorists like Lucille Ball, Mae West, Mary Tyler Moore, Christine Lavin, Moms Mabley, Gracie Allen, Roseanne Barr, Carol Burnett, Imogene Cocoa, Phyllis Diller, Fran Dreshcher, Terry Garr, Valerie Harper, Gilda Radner, Tracy Ulner, Ana Marie Cox, Nikol Hasler, Totie Fields, Madeline Kahn, Fanny Brice, Jane Austin, Tina Fey, Louise Lasser, Amy Poehler, the Roach sisters, Sarah Haskins, Erma Bombeck, Goldie Hawn, etc. is "what a bunch of dykes."

In Defense of Bob McDonnell Gail Collins Frames Slavery as Mainly a Concern of "Purple State" Perverts

Sat, 2010-04-24 07:48

Via a news roundup on Daily Kos, Gail Collins, a columnist at the New York Times attempts to rescue extremist Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell with a subtle but vicious slur against his opponents. Check this out (emphasis mine.)

The country may have moved to the right, but conservatives tend to underestimate the amount of blue that’s still out there. The new Republican governor of Virginia seemed stunned that his state reacted badly to his call for a Confederate History Month that did not mention slavery. But really, the very definition of a purple state is a place where, when you devote an entire month to recalling the glories of the confederacy, you have to give some time to the bondage angle.

She said it here.

Let’s read that last sentence again, this without that middle clause. “But really,the very definition of a purple state is a place where … you have to give some time to the bondage angle.”

If you’ve got access to Nexis or Lexis could you do me a favor and look for historical references to slavery as “the bondage angle?” Because when I Googled the phrase at 8:00 AM Pacific Time it was pretty much wall-to-wall references to BDSM. (Google suggested I instead try “bondage-angel,” for which there are 1,400,000 matches compared to “bondage-angle” for which there are only 84,000!)

There you go. Some four centuries of slavery reduced to an eyeball roll for the offended sensibilities of perverted New York and San Francisco liberals. Talk about the “very definition of a purple state!”

Instead I’m… pretty sure that in addition to insulting men who wear chaps and vote for Barney Frank, Gail Collins may also have insulted oh, say, any number of the 41 million U.S. citizens who’s ancestors were brought to labor as slaves in McDonnell’s beloved Confederacy.

Her column was titled “Running on Empty,” but Collins is so full of it she should wipe her nose with toilet paper.

Uses and Misuses of Stereotype: Maps, Metaphors, and Zoos

Fri, 2009-08-21 18:31

Suzie at Echidne of the Snakes speaks with entirely reasonable ire about gendered anthropomorphizing about dominance and subordination she keeps hearing when people talk about zoos.

I think it was one of those 7-Habits books where the author talks about how at a very high level a map of, I think, Detroit can be mistaken for a map of, I think, Cleveland in the sense they can both have a big street called Main St. that intersects with 1st St., 2nd St, 12th, etc., and so you can imagine you’re navigating in the right direction… until it says you should be turning right on Broad Street and there’s just no such thing in Cleveland. At which point you can either realize you’ve got the wrong map or… drive yourself and everyone else insane trying to match up the landmarks of the town you’re in with the map of the town you’re not in.

We do that a lot with animals. And ourselves. The common term for ascribing human-like qualities to tigers or, say, lab rats, is anthropomorphism, but Hannah Arendt warned about the corresponding phenomenon she called ratomorphisation where we ascribe the behavior of humans to what we observe in rats or other animals.

And if you’re going to try to map humans to animals, or for that matter animals to humans, you’ll see the same effects as you do with maps of Detroit or Cincinnati. Similar street names, sure. A “Riverside Park” too maybe. If you go to a zoo it’s only going to get worse.

Yes, animals fight, have sex, and eat. But those are like the Main Streets and Broad Avenues — every town has one, but they don’t necessarily go the same places. And if you get it in your head that each animal (and human) map is going to have a Main St. then it gets even weirder because you’re going to say stuff like one gender or another is dominant or there’s always some kind of territoriality or blah, blah, blah. Each of which could even be true. But they might be more instructive if we weren’t trying to enforce our preconceptions of what has to be there.

X-ing Off Another Double-X "Xposé," This Time About Craft Sales Sites

Thu, 2009-06-11 15:59


Photo by Flickr user figleaf (hey, that’s me!) Posted under a Creative Commons license.

Megan of Jezebel takes exception to yet another Double-X article, this time dumping on women (but not, evidently, men) for selling DIY stuff they make on Etsy.com.

...what I feel is most problematic is the idea inherent in the work that women should, in some sense, face the reality that their dreams of successful entrepreneurship will never be realized. In truth, most small businesses fail. Many people — men and women — engage in the marketplace with a unique product, idea or service and fail to amass enough profit to stay afloat. The difference between men and women is that men are more often encouraged to do so then women, and encouraged to try again. Mosle’s piece attempts to convince women not to take a relatively risk-free wade into the entrepreneurial waters of the American marketplace because they’ll “fail,” as though economic failure is something with which women cannot or should not be expected to cope.

She said it here.

Yup. I hate to say it but it sounds as though the author at Slate For Ladies Double-X doesn’t get the idea of small business prototyping, test marketing, scaling up, or… well… a lot of stuff about micro-entrepreneurship. If I start selling the belts and other light-fetish leather items I’ve been having enormous fun making lately chances are very good I’ll do it with an Etsy account. Where for a relatively low investment in time and money compared to more conventional alternatives, I expect I’ll learn a great deal about customer likes and dislikes, my own likes and dislikes, price points, and more. And if I discover I only occasionally like to make items in limited runs for limited times then heck, I might stay there.

But more likely, like most people who use Etsy, or any other micro-retail online business incubator, if I don’t find a niche that’s particularly well-suited to selling via Etsy I’ll either quit doing it altogether or else move up to either small-scale distribution or my own Amazon/Yahoo/Google/DYI site online.

Megan adds

I guess I should also add that I find it a little ironic that Mosle’s worries about women artisans being ghettoized on Etsy is printed on double x, where Slate has collected its women writers and separated them and their stories from their site at large.

I’d add that it’s also ironic that Double-X would have published a hit piece like this on-line exploitation of newbie and/or amateur piece-workers. Because what are the odds the mostly-women writers there are making enough to quit their day jobs to write for Double-X?

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One last thing. The article is titled “Etsy.com Peddles a False Feminist Fantasy.” It’s not clear, at all, what’s supposed to be feminist about either Etsy or the article. Or, for that matter, Double-X.

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Dang it all, one more last thing. The big fatal flaw is supposed to be that Etsy, an arts and crafts sales facilitation site, has mostly women sellers. I… I dunno… call me crazy but it seems like there’s been a centuries-long tradition of men working out of the home in farming, manufacturing, or service, and women working in the home making the sort of stuff that… is typically referred to as “arts and crafts.” Again I could be really naive here but lot of people seem to be trying to sell hand-knit sweaters and hand-sewn quilts on Etsy. And (you’ll be shocked I know!) very few of them seem to be men. One area where one traditionally sees men (most often older, retired men) doing sellable home-based crafts would be fishing lures, duck decoys, and woodworking. Aaaannnddd son of a gun, you won’t be surprised either that most of the lures, decoys, and woodworking is done by men. Now a small fraction of the products sold by Etsy fall into those categories, and so, also not surprisingly, only a small fraction of vendors appear to be men. But from the looks of it I’m going to say these imbalances have a lot more to do with broader social imbalances than specific-to-Etsy ones.

Some other items I could consider selling on Etsy even if I didn’t end up selling leather fetish gear…

Silk sweater - 004 - detail #2 fl_Figleaf Batik Scarf - 030 Stinging nettle print shirt HNT Jingle balls

Clockwise from top right: Hand-knit silk sweater; hand-batiked silk scarf with fig leaf motif; hand-printed nettle-leaf t-shirt; hand-cast decorative brass bells

Susan Boyle and 21st Century Incarnations of the Gong Show

Sat, 2009-04-18 21:06

Warning: Curmudgeon alert

So someone finally showed me the Susan Boyle video that’s been making the rounds lately. She’s a 47-year-old Scotswoman, a choirist, who wound up on one of those mean-people “talent show” programs that are so popular these days. You know, the ones where instead of risking having the bad taste to enjoy a performer’s actual performance they show cool people’s faces during the performance so you can tell if you’re making the right choice? Oh, and to make sure you aren’t confused they mug horribly if they don’t think you should like a performer, and smile and gently shake their heads as if in wonder so you’ll know you should like the performer too.

Anyway, Boyle’s got the sort of great, room-filling voice that’s prized by show-tune impresarios, opera conductors, and choir directors. She’s also not beautiful the same way people who are paid to look cool on TV are beautiful.

And so everybody mugged awfully when she walked out on stage, and mugged worse when she said she wanted to sing a love-affirming song. And then she began singing and was really good so all the cool people stopped mugging and started smiling and gently shaking their heads. The live audience was so impressed by the switch to smiling and head-shaking that they all stood up and started cheering.

After the performance the smiling head-shakers said a bunch of condescending bullshit.

Anyway, since I hadn’t seen it I hadn’t registered any of the previous online commentary, but Ann Bartow of Feminist Law Professors sums the whole thing up rather nicely. Here’s a snippet.

When Simon tells Susan Boyle she is a “little tiger” I really wanted to throw up. She rolls it off with a lot of equanimity and class. The only thing that makes watching the portions of the video clip in which the judges are speaking tolerable to me is the utter joy the entire experience seems to bring to Susan Boyle.

She said it here.

There was a program in the 1970s called the Gong Show. It too was a talent show with a panel of judges. One difference was the judges weren’t paid to be cool. Another difference was that the judges had buttons on their desks that would ring a big gong that signaled that they were rejecting the performance or…

...the performer.

Which is what I thought about when I saw the program staffer’s reactions before, during, and after Susan Boyle’s performance.

Perhaps not surprisingly I couldn’t find the exact clip from the Gong Show I was looking for. The one that reminded me so closely of the “cool people’s” performance as Boyle sang.

Instead, here’s a clip of the same performer from an episode several months after the first. The intro by the host is significant. “Right now let’s bring back a terrific lady…”

Her name is Bobby Tremain.

The reason I couldn’t find the first clip, and why I’m not surprised, is that the first time ‘round one… or maybe more than one of the judges let her get about one verse into the song… maybe as far as when she started playing and tap dancing, and they rang the gong.

Why? I don’t remember who the nobody daytime “celebrities” were back then (anymore than I’ve heard of the daytime celebrities hired to be judgmental about Susan Boyle) but the one who stands out in my memory had Paul-Linde-fey kind schtick and he explained that he rang the gong because “that poor woman, that poor little old lady, I didn’t want her to die up there!”

There was much chittering, not all of it enthusiastic, from the audience. The host’s plastic smile never faded. Ms. Tremain was pretty speechless but clearly disappointed.

There was considerable outcry from the non-studio audience, however, and so they had her back. And let her finish. Three years later Tremain one the over-eighty tournament on another game show, Tic-tac Dough.

I bring all this up because Tremain, like Boyle, was talented, energetic, and enthusiastic. And like Boyle she didn’t fit the stereotypes of the judges who, in both instances, made their judgments based their preconceptions that people who look like X should be expected to do only Y.

I’m not ashamed for having watched The Gong Show because I was a very young and the two broadcast-only alternatives were worse. There are many more channels today, and many more choices of programming. I would be ashamed if today I watched whatever program it is that Boyle transcended. For one thing I’m a big boy now. For another I have my own sense of taste. For another, having been an amateur performing musician and singer I appreciate how much work goes into even the least praiseworthy performance. And so I have no patience for trained monkeys paid to mug or gently smile and shake their heads based on their preconceptions, their prejudices, and possibly anticipation of bananas from their producers after the show. I have to say I might watch the show if they had gong buttons on their desks like the old show… it would be amusing to watch the cool people try and master the technology to push them.

%@#*&!!!

Because Exaggerating Gender Stereotypes Has Worked So Well in the Past

Sun, 2009-04-05 16:04

Dana Goldstein says after quoting an honors student from an all-boys school in Maryland who said ““I would be distracted if girls were around. Now, it’s just a bunch of dudes in class. I can pay attention.”

Wow. I wouldn’t try to deny that raging hormones afflict 15-year olds the world over. But what kind of lesson are we teaching teenagers when we tell them we don’t actually expect them to control themselves? When we imply to boys that girls aren’t their colleagues or intellectual partners, but are sexual objects — mere distractions?

Read the quote in context here.

Um, yeah. Because, it being the 1950s and all, the only women men will work with when they grow up will be in the secretary pool and at the front desk. So why on earth would you bother socializing them?

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On a semi-somewhat-related matter, from a snippet of Tavis Smiley on NPR I heard a children’s author saying he’d created a hippopotamus character who’s big and smart because, he said, a lot of boys grow up believing they can either be big and athletic or intelligent but not both. Which, as soon as he said it, I realized is of course true.

Which kind of completes the circle of the gender curse: whether you’re a boy or girl, man or woman, we grow up believing we can be the pinnacle of gender-stereotyped physical perfection (strong/agile = “perfect” boys, shapely/graceful = “perfect” girls.) Or we can be smart.

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Charming little con games we’re running on our children, eh? I’m sure they’re all going to grow up to be so well adjusted. And yeah, our ancestors ran them on us too but since when did two wrongs make a right?

Symmetry, Sociobiology and Cherry Sour-Grape Picking Data

Sat, 2009-03-28 08:31

Wayne Hooke of The Psychology of Beauty says

Using photographs of real men, Peters, et.al (2009) found no evidence of a preference for either masculinized or symmetric male faces or bodies in ovulating women.


Photos by Flickr user spongemonkey.
Used under a Creative Commons license.
Previous studies that have found a relationship between ovulation and attraction to masculine features have used computer-morphed images that are weak in ecological validity. This study used photographs of actual men, like the ones below.

Masculinity, attractiveness, and symmetry ratings of the stimuli appear to approximate a normal distribution, strengthening the ecological validity of this study. The only noteworthy limitation in this design is that there were no objective measurements of masculinity or symmetry – only subjective ratings were used.

The authors were also careful to use precise measurements of ovulation to ensure that the ratings of women in the ovulatory phase were well-within the previously identified six-day long sexually active phase of the menstrual cycle.

Read the quote in context here.

Evolutionary Psychologists, of course, had proposed that magic uteruses make women… what?... pickier during ovulation? And it sounds like if you cherry pick your criteria sufficiently you can get that result. The tricky thing about science isn’t that it’s flawless. Quite the opposite (being a human endeavor, not because it’s science.) What’s cool about science, though, is over time it’s institutionally self-correcting. Scientist A says X, scientist B says that doesn’t sound right, scientist B tries to reproduce scientist A’s findings.

I often carp that pop Ev-Psych (the Ozzie-and-Harriet-assumption-conserving stuff you’re likely to hear about, not the real stuff that’s still mostly in the basic foundation-building phase) is made up mostly of loser types trying to justify why they can’t get dates with “superior” men or women. For which reason, ironically, ginning up data that says ovulating women prefer symmetrical jock types a) makes sense but also b) also shows lack of imagination. Here’s how.

Near as I can understand it, the original researchers were saying that when women ovulate they prefer more handsome men. They also claim that women are more horny when they’re ovulating. Put the two together and you get an explanation for why horny babes never hook up with ev-psych doods.
Photos by Flickr user spongemonkey. Used under a
Creative Commons license.

But let’s slow that waaaaaayyyyy down and play it again. Ev-psych assumes that no matter how much it looks like we use sophisticated mental processes to modify or even disregard bodily impulses we’re actually really, really, really simple moist robots utterly controlled by extraordinarily sophisticated, highly conditionally-expressed genes. Like the alleged genes in women for both extra pickiness and horniness during ovulation.

But…

Doesn’t it seem like the whole idea of horniness is to override pickiness? And aren’t women only something close to ovulating six days out of the month? Which means women usually aren’t ovulating? And don’t women usually decline dates with ev-psych doods?

So doesn’t it seem like ev-psych doods should be cherry-picking data to show that women won’t date them prefer more symmetrical-looking men even more when they’re not ovulating instead?

And when women are ovulating and their adolescent-porn-fantasy genes are turning them into helpless fembots of lust and they still won’t date sociobiologists? Sadly for the EP community Holly offers only non-genetic explanations.

(via ResearchBlogging)

Pornified... and Romance-ified!

Thu, 2009-01-08 23:23

Ezra Klein nails a fairly serious problem about a seemingly light-hearted subject (and gets a dig in at spotty researchers in the bargain.)

Of course romantic comedies harm your love life. They create unrealizable expectations for connection and intimacy. They feature the world’s most beautiful people speaking dialogue written by the country’s most talented screenwriters. But we didn’t need a methodologically shoddy study for this finding. We just needed to read more Emile Durkheim.

Durkheim called anomie “the malady of infinite aspiration”. His central idea was that human beings need regulation – a framework of informal and formal rules that set limits to what they are entitled to expect, for instance, in the form of economic rewards. It is an idea that contrasts sharply with the culture of capitalism, not least its US version.

The trick of romantic comedies is realism. The characters have to seem like real people. The situations have to be believable. The dialogue has to be ordinary. You need to be able to relate. But you end up relating to something utterly unachievable.

He said it here.

If you remember the height of the “porn wars” of the Reagan era it was fairly common for visual-porn advocates to point out a double-standard between condemnation of photography and illustration, which was generally labeled “male” and toleration of text (including, especially, romance novels) which was generally labeled “female.**”

Well. In at least one way that really matters, both sides were right. In terms of creating expectations romance novels and visual porn create expectations that, like those created by romantic comedies, are unrealizable.

Bit of a nuisance, that. (Can’t remember who but for instance someone the other day suggested the women of Sex In The City were typical in appearance.)

The difference, I think, between economic rewards and romanticized and/or pornified expectations is that whereas it might work to impose Durkheimian limits on generation of excess wealth, it’s unlikely that we’ll ever manage to limit porn or romance novels… let alone romantic comedies. What does tend to work, however, is realistic, comprehensive sex education… which, being comprehensive tends to educate students not only about sex but romance as well.

[** Never mind that even then there was at least a 30% overlap in both directions — everyone was still recovering from the 1970s where everything had to be painted either black or white. Also never mind that the big objection of anti-“porn” types, at least the non-evangelical feminist side of the evangelical/feminist coalition, was that unlike text which requires only imagination to produce, photography required people. And then, far, far less so than now, too many people in porn got figuratively as well as literally screwed. —fl]

...Those Who Divide People Into Two Groups and Those Who Don't

Mon, 2008-02-11 18:29

Non-sex philosopher/blogger Matthew Yglesias of TheAtlantic.com points out the process whereby gaps in stereotypes get filled with “logically” satisfying but basically pulled-out-of-someone’s-butt stuff.

One anti-Obama meme that I notice has gotten a lot of support even among people sympathetic to his cause is the notion that he’s somehow shallow or insufficiently well-versed in policy matters. Obviously, I can’t crawl into either candidate’s brain and take a look around, but this idea doesn’t seem to me to be especially well-supported by the evidence. Instead, it seems to draw support from a kind of implicit Law of Conservation of Virtues — the pretty girl can’t be smart, the not-so-good-looking guy must be really nice — that has people notice that Clinton is well-versed in policy but isn’t a charismatic figure, and Obama is charismatic so it “must” be that he’s not well-versed in policy. He’s cool and she’s the nerd.

This suits the media’s taste for parallels and lazy narratives into which events can be squeezed. But there’s really not much basis for it.

Read what he wrote in context here.

Sounds familiar outside of politics as well, eh? For instance can it really be that all the mirrored gender differences in all the Mars/Venus books and their derivatives are accurate and well-founded?

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