testosterone

The No-Sex Class and Sex Hormones: By Misogynist Logic Male Erections are Useless Because...

Sat, 2010-06-26 09:12

Great keyboard-thumping example of the two-sphere model of gender run amok. Plus the Two Rules of Desire run wild. Plus the “no-sex” class paradigm in full bloom. Echidne of the Snakes says

One misogynist comment in that place where they now gather (the Atlantic Monthly) stated that women are useless creatures because the only reason they feel the faintest sexual desire is testosterone. And testosterone belongs to men!

She said it here.

M’yeah, and since nipples belong to women any man with nipples is gay. But I digress.

What was I going to say? Oh yeah — Great sweet mother of pearl!

Would a been nice to get a link but…

Clearly I’m a bit speechless. Not at the misogyny of course, but of the blunt misunderstanding of anatomy, physiology, and endocrinology. Not that I’m a huge expert but that’s the whole point — I learned most of what I know about it in a berloody 10th-grade “applied chemistry” class!

Anyway, from the Wikipedia entry on testosterone (emphasis mine)

Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles, birds, and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.

In men, testosterone plays a key role in the development of male reproductive tissues such as the testis and prostate as well as promoting secondary sexual characteristics such as increased muscle and bone mass and hair growth. In addition, testosterone is essential for health and well-being as well as the prevention of osteoporosis.

On average, an adult human male body produces about ten times more testosterone than an adult human female body, but females are, from a behavioral perspective (rather than from an anatomical or biological perspective), more sensitive to the hormone. However, the overall ranges for male and female are very wide, such that the ranges actually overlap at the low end and high end respectively.

Source: Wikipedia

Yup. About that last part? Based on testosterone production-decline curves the sort of cranky 50-year-olds who, well, crank out testosterone uuber allies malarky are quite likely to have lower testosterone levels than many healthy women in their 20s.

Unlike healthy 20-year-old women at least healthy low-testosterone middle-age men can thank testosterone for the nice big manly erections they can still get, right? Oh wait!

...an appropriate amount of estrogen is required in the male in order to ensure well-being, bone density, libido, erectile function, etc.

So presumably men are also useless creatures because the only reason we can ge erections is because of estrogen. And estrogen belongs to women. Right?

I mean right?

Stupid gender essentialists!

Non-controversial Testosterone Research Story Still Surprises: Expectation May Produce Stronger Results Than the Hormone

Mon, 2009-12-14 19:55

Ed Yong of Not Exactly Rocket Science passes along some fun news about gender, hormones, and “biology is destiny” memes. Questions of accuracy and bias arise in any study, and any news account of a study, but the information to assumption ratio in Yong’s piece is wonderful. Here are his opening paragraphs (emphasis his.)

What do you think a group of women would do if they were given a dose of testosterone before playing a game? Our folk wisdom tells us that they would probably become more aggressive, selfish or antisocial. Well, that’s true… but only if they think they’ve been given testosterone.

If they don’t know whether they’ve been given testosterone or placebo, the hormone actually has the opposite effect to the one most people would expect – it promotes fair play. The belligerent behaviour stereotypically linked to testosterone only surfaces if people think they’ve been given hormone, whether they receive a placebo or not. So strong are the negative connotations linked to testosterone that they can actually overwhelm and reverse the hormone’s actual biological effects.

He said it here.

That’s actually pretty consistent with…

  • findings related to testosterone levels in a variety of animals (but not, interestingly, the rats most of the early “confirmation” studies were done on) where aggressive and/or risk-taking behavior is undertaken to elevate testosterone levels in males, not as a result of elevated testosterone.
  • findings related to people’s reactions when they’re led to believe they’ve been given (or haven’t been) doses of other behavior-modifying compounds like alcohol and caffeine where for instance, going back at least as far as the 1960s where people are more likely, say, to act drunk when told they’ve been given more alcohol than they thought, or less drunk when told they’ve been given only a small amount.

And I’m inclined to trust the reporter not least because he seems to have done actual analysis reporting instead of regurgitating lurid bits. I’m inclined to trust the researcher because a) he doesn’t seem to be talking about the effect of a hormone on people rather than trying to prove gendered mandates and b) while his subjects were women that appears to be mostly because women respond more consistently and predictably to measured doses of testosterone than do men. (Which would also be consistent with findings that in men behavior changes a lot more in relation to relative rather than absolute amounts.)

I did say trust, though. Since the research appears to be gated behind a commercial firewall I can’t verify. So all I can say is it sounds interesting. And sounds measured. And sounds more like basic reporting on basic science than expectation-driven “just so” stories.

(Via Mackenzie at Geek Feminism Blog.)

Personal PR Pitch for Vasectomies

Mon, 2009-06-15 16:42

Intern Katy of Jezebel says (emphasis mine)

Unfortunately, the vasectomy is hard to sell, according to doctors. Many men, like Michael Lewis, author of Home Game: An Accidental Guide to Fatherhood, view the procedure as somewhat akin to castration. Lewis says his own vasectomy made him feel like a “traitor to [his] sex.

She said it here.

Well, he’s got the traitor to his sex part right.

Seriously? The guy’s supposed to be some great big-swinging dick reporter? (He actually introduced the term “big swinging dick” to financial reporting in Liar’s Poker!) He’s supposed to be good enough to report credibly on Iceland’s entire economic meltdown after a long weekend spent there but in 49 years he can’t even figure out how his own penis works? W the F?

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More from Katy’s source (USA Today, I think, but visit her post and follow the links.)

Myths about vasectomy persist. The biggest, doctors say, is that it will lower testosterone levels and affect sexual function and desire. “We still spend a lot of time explaining that there is absolutely no effect on sexual function or libido,” [University of Illinois at Chicago professor Lawrence] Ross says.

Yeah, like I had any less testosterone when I got my first vasectomy?

Like I had any more after my reversal?

Like I have any less after my follow-up vasectomy?

I don’t think so.

Actually I’m pretty sure when it comes to testosterone I’ve got plenty. If I had anymore I’d grow antlers.

Hey, you want the inside scoop on what vasectomies have done to my sex life? Wanna know what women have generally done to my penis after seeing those little scars?

Raunchy things.

Lascivious things.

Exotic things.

Loving things.

Enthusiastic things.

Repeated things.

Repeated things.

More repeated things.

Eager things.

Things that by and large have felt very, very good!

But most importantly?

Exactly the same things they wanted to do before I had them.

Except more frequently. Because for a man, before or after, there’s really no… well… fucking difference between having a vasectomy and not having one except neither he nor his partner needs to worry about anymore, um, “innocent byproducts.”

Than they already have.

Than they already wanted.

Than they already planned.

Sheesh!

Katy says

Despite the fact that the vasectomy is a safer, simpler process than female sterilization, more women undergo sterilization surgery than men (half of women using birth control ages 40-44 had had their tubes tied, while only 20% of men that age have). It seems that the vasectomy has a real PR problem.

Seriously! More sex more often? Zero concern about unplanned, unwanted pregnancies? Less stressed out partners? No impact on testosterone? Opportunity to call Michael Lewis a wuss? What more PR do you possibly need?

Sheesh!

Male Stock Traders On Estrogen?

Wed, 2008-04-16 10:30

Ann of Feministing cites an interesting twist on investing strategies. (Quoting a Wall Street Journal article, italics mine.)

Where Wall Street’s drug of choice used to be cocaine, today it could be estrogen. A hedge fund broker working at SAC Capital in Connecticut sued his boss in late October for allegedly demanding that he take estrogen to become a more successful trader. The case was sealed when it moved to arbitration. A spokesperson for SAC refused to comment.

Read the quote in context here.

Seriously! The real hoot is that they want estrogen-enriched traders so they… make men take supplements instead of, oh, y’know, hiring women.

I dunno. Maybe it is a need for physical size on trading floors as Feministing commenter WendyAnn hints. But I bet there’s some other reason.

That said, the effects of testosterone really are pretty misunderstood. In case after case, even species after species, aggressiveness and hostility usually crop up when levels drop.

I certainly see that in a friend who’s lost his own ability to produce it. He gets a shot about once a month and he becomes terribly irritable just before, and cheery/mellow after. I remember reading on one article or another a few years ago about scientists giving animals enough testosterone “to make a coffee cup grow antlers” without causing any increase in aggressiveness. The tricky bit is that aggressive behavior, especially successful aggression, can stimulate testosterone secretions so… So it’s still associated with aggression and risk-taking, just not the way most people assume.

And for the record, in my women’s-studies/sex-ed/communications course last quarter, in a lecture on the menstrual cycle, the prof noted that symptoms associated with PMS show up when estrogen and progesterone levels are lowest, not highest. Meaning, she said dryly, that just like men it’s usually inaccurate to say someone’s feeling “hormonal.”

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Note: I still can’t believe they don’t just hire women, though, if they want more estrogen in the workplace. Doi! Old habits die really hard I guess.

Men, Women, and Stories We Tell About Hormones and PMS

Fri, 2008-02-22 23:36


Image appears on Wikipedia’s “Menstrual Cycle”
page. Used under a Creative Commons license.

So we were studying the menstural cycle last week in my integrated interpersonal communications theory / women’s studies / sex education class. One lecture that was pretty cool was on the pretty intricate, interdependent dance between Follicle-Stimulating Hormone, Estradol, Luteinizing Hormone, and Progesterone over the course of an average of 29.5 days. What’s cool is that often one hormone will block secretion of another until another moves past a certain threshold, permitting the first one to spike, or yet another hormone will signal another hormone-secreting area to continue secreting it’s hormone till yet another event says do something else. It’s actually more technical, and more precise, and cooler than that, but at this point, anyway, Wikipedia or other sources are still a more reliable source than I’d be.

One thing our professor did mention: if you look at the enclosed graph, over around the right hand side, roughly marked by days 22-28 — the time most women who experience PMS report, well, experiencing it — all the various hormone levels aren’t going up they’re going down! She said “so when you hear that PMS is all about ‘excess’ female hormones the answer’s actually quite the opposite.”

Now we could just stop there and goggle about that for a minute but I’d like to mention the connection that popped into my little brain as soon as she pointed that low-hormone tidbit: various studies (plus the personal experience of several friends who use their own hormone supplements) much of the distemper and violence traditionally associated with testosterone in men is also more correctly attributed to reduced levels of the hormone!

So! Men who lash out after experiencing a severe loss of “face?” Lowering levels of testosterone. Cranky old men? Declining levels of testosterone. And now I’m hearing about something similar when women are experiencing declining levels of… oh, and while I’m thinking about it there’s also that big plummetting post-partum drop in progesterone that’s blamed for all manner of problems from headaches to depression. (Too lazy to Google citations for any of that, but citations there are.)

Anyway, point being that to the extent it’s a misconception that “sex” hormones cause emotional problems, and to the extent it’s a misconception that “sex” hormones cause emotional problems specific to each gender rather than declines in both those hormones causing… not quite identical but certainly suspiciously similar problems in both genders…

Well, to the extent any of that’s true… and I’m really only saying it could be… maybe we’re more alike than different.

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