Summary: Carrie Prejean disgraced herself by publicly opposing same-sex marriage, not for either having a sex life or camera-phoning herself. Sungold proposes an unusual but sensible way she could at least partly redeem herself. Further down, reflections by Sungold, Blue Gal, and Melissa McEwan on the way Prejean’s partner only disgraced himself.
Sungold of Kittywampus says, in all earnestness, that it would be an all-round good thing if conservative-Christian Carrie Prejean just let go of the “scandal” about the private masturbation videos she emailed her erstwhile fiance and let everyone who’s “scandalized” about it fall on their keisters.
After mentioning the disgraceful dismissal of Clinton-era Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders for recommending that we teach young people that masturbation is a safe and effective alternative to partnered sex, Sungold says
Maybe it’s time for us to catch up with history. Here’s where Prejean could play a pivotal role. She could go on Larry King and say, “I’m not here to talk about that tape, which my asshole ex had no right to release. But I will say this: What I did on that tape was perfectly normal. Self-pleasure is perfectly compatible with my Christian beliefs. It’s a great way to get to know your body before you’re ready for partnered sex. It’s a wonderful way to extend your pleasure with a partner. If you’re waiting for marriage to have intercourse, masturbation can help you wait, and you’ll be a better lover when you do say yes.”
I’m still not snarking. If we could just get all those “good Christians” to admit they do it, all of us might be able to have open conversations about it without anyone getting fired or censored.
Incidentally I’m not snarking either. I’m aware that Prejean might decline to do so, but I’m… pretty sure she’s got the really, seriously, no twits-vs-substance credentials to do so. It would be doing the world a favor and, very likely, do more to promote alternatives to intercourse and other forms of partnered sex than any number of conventional abstinence messaging.
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On a side note I’d add that the less-than-forthright way Prejean has dealt with the revelations seem to have been more damaging to her reputation than the existence of the tapes themselves. They were, after all, perfectly ordinary communications with a partner she was committed to and trusted… which means pretty much the only thing the partner “revealed” was that not only should no future partner trust his honesty, integrity, or discretion but neither should any future employer or client. Further down in her post Sungold nicely addresses the issue of the former partner by the way.
Update: Although see also Blue Gal’s The Donald advises Carrie to become “major porn star”? I’m not going to say the fact that Trump’s recommendation is diametrically opposite Sungold’s is itself a demonstration that she’s on the right track. But…
Update: And also see Melissa’s awesome dissection of Prejean and twits vs. substance at Shakesville.
In principle there’s nothing wrong with sex with another person. Or, particularly, about bragging about it. Not even if you’re married, assuming your marriage partner is ok with it. Not even if your sex partner(s) are married, assuming it’s ok with their partners. There’s even nothing wrong with it even if you’re a California State Assemblyman.
Yeah, it gets a little iffier if you’re a California State Assemblyman with a 100% approval rating for “family values” voting from a subsidiary of the right-wing Focus on the Family, although it might not sit well with FoF to learn you’re actually an adulterous braggart.
There is a problem, however, if you’re a California State Assemblyman, and the chair of the Utilities and Commerce committee and your sex partners are paid lobbyists for an energy company your committee regulates! That’s the real story in the following video clip.
The real scandal? “The Assembly Legislative Ethics Committee is looking into the reports about Duvall’s alleged relationship with the lobbyist, a source close to the committee said this morning. “
Now we’re getting somewhere! People have sex. Sex is messy. Some people think messy sex is sexy. Other people think their way of doing sex is great and everyone else’s is gross. That’s not going anywhere.
What does need to go somewhere, though, is that he was doing these things with lobbyists. Because even if Duvall’s marital partner knew and approved, and even if his sex partner’s husbands knew and approved, it would still be a scandal that he was having sex with lobbyists for a company his committee has jurisdiction over.
It wouldn’t just be scandalous in terms of exchange of favors (which is how a lot of people seem to be reading it with their “little more than prostitutes” quips.) It would also be scandalous in terms of sexual-harassment-type power differentials between people seeking changes in legislation and someone in a position to make those changes.
Meanwhile people around the web seem to be focusing on the sex part. And the Focus-on-the-Family hypocrisy part.
But yes, by all means, go all knee-squeezy because someone had sex. Gag and heave all you like about his explicit language. And yes, definitely, absolutely take him to task for being the slimy hypocrite he is. But first put this man out of his chairmanship, off the committee, out of the Assembly, and, if possible, in jail for the real scandal of being that intimate with lobbyists or allowing them to be that intimate with him.
Those of us on the left are even more likely than those on the right to stop at twittery about sex at the expense of substance.
Update: According to the L.A. Times Duvall is resigning (emphasis mine)
“I am deeply saddened that my inappropriate comments have become a major distraction for my colleagues in the Assembly, who are working hard on the very serious problems facing our state,” he said in a statement posted on his website. “I have come to the conclusion that it would not be fair to my family, my constituents or to my friends on both sides of the aisle to remain in office. Therefore, I have decided to resign my office, effective immediately, so that the Assembly can get back to work.”
No, he’s not deeply saddened about his comments. He’s instead deeply hoping that knee-squeezing twittery about having sex with another decision-capable adult will trump the substance of potential criminal wrongdoing of a decidedly non-sexual nature. It’s not his inappropriate comments, or the specific sexual activities he was describing when he made those comments. It’s that he was literally in bed with lobbyists for an energy company his committee is supposed to be regulating.
Oh, and while I was Googling around for a post I’m writing up at my place I found a note at SF Gate that the energy company may have instead hired the lobbyists specifically because of her prior sexual access to him. In which case not only should he face trial and jail, so should the lobbyists and the corporate staff that hired them.
(I first found out about the Duvall story from Pam Spaulding.)
Laura Clawson of Daily Kos delves into why, by Republican standards, it’s fine for Sen. Vitter to keep his committee appointments after fetish-y sex with prostitutes even though Sen. Ensign felt obliged to resign from his assignments after an vanilla love affair with a campaign staffer.
The most obvious interpretation is therefore that what Ensign did was worse (though Vitter’s was still a very serious sin!). But a Louisiana pollster quoted in Roll Call has another theory:
“I don’t think this will help or hurt Vitter,” Pinsonat said. “If anything, it leans towards helping him because … the more this stuff happens the more it becomes ho-hum. You can’t say it’s just David Vitter. ... It happens so often, I don’t think it’s as stunning an event as it was 15 years ago.”
So two lessons to keep in mind when planning your adultery: Better a professional than an employee, and if you’re lucky enough to be a Republican lawmaker, thanks to the efforts of Vitter, Larry Craig, Newt Gingrich, John Ensign, and so many others, you are now good to go.
To be honest that’s probably, approximately, right. Neither Ensign nor Vitter should resign anything because their sex lives don’t match conventional demands. Although they probably ought to resign for continuing to advocate legislation and policy that contradicts their direct knowledge and experience.
If you set aside snark, priggishness, twittery, and sarcasm the issue isn’t moral hypocrisy, it’s a question of — as I first said in the case Bush-era “AIDS czar” Randall Tobias — how they can continue to advocate public health, education, and legal programs intended to sometimes-harshly enforce abstinence, monogamy, and, say, heteronormativity when their personal experience makes it clear that those policies aren’t, and perhaps can’t be effective.
There’s an integrity problem here, but it’s not about who wets his whistle where.
Y’know how those “Million and One Sex Positions” manuals (all inevitably hetero) you see all over the place? The ones with either highly-stylized stick figures (some with translucent overlays) or else even more highly-stylized photographs of recruiting-poster-perfect people with model-blank expressions and static-figure positions? You know how they give you the impression this is All Serious Business because they’re just so stick-up-the-butt… well… All Serious Business?
Jayme Waxman of Sex Matters sets us straight in a nifty, off-the-cuff video post.
After overdosing on a slew of sex positions, here’s a random thought about why you would even try some of the most ridiculous of positions…
Sex Positions: It’s all about the smile from Jamye Waxman on Vimeo.
It’s startling sometimes just how entrenched the whole “for purposes of reproduction only” theory of sex is. Even when there’s no intention… or (since not all sex involves interlocking between fertile heterosexuals) no possibility of reproduction.
And I think, in the west at least, and it looks like a couple of the other major world cultures, it’s got a lot to do with philosophical or religious wariness of pleasure in the corporeal world. With the result that when it is discussed publicly it’s discussed soberly, non-salaciously, with an eye towards reproduction… or prevention thereof… for purposes of health… or prevention of disease… or more egalitarian allocation of “marital bliss.” And, most ‘specially, for purposes of education. Without which UR Duin it Wrong!
With the further result that the idea that some positions when someone says “are they serious” the correct answer might be “actually… no.” :-)
Twisty Faster of I Blame the Patriarchy digs up a howler of a sociobiology-oriented “research” article from the BBC.
Chimpanzees enter into “deals” whereby they exchange meat for sex, according to researchers.
It goes without saying, since “male” is always the default, that by “chimpanzees” the article means male chimpanzees, and that by “sex” it means “copulation.” Female chimpanzees do not, apparently, exchange meat for sex. Their role is not active. The females passively accept meat from males whereupon they are adjudged to be under an obligation put out over the long term. The article portrays them as recipients of male largesse and as receptacles.
After various not-inappropriate fulminations Twisty quotes the author committing a classic fallacy of appeal to (self) authority.
This has got me really interested in humans,” [said researcher/chimp voyeur Cristina Gomes]. “I’m thinking of moving on to working with hunter-gatherers.”
Tempting as it is to flame the implicit racism in the idea of “moving on” to hunter-gatherers and skip straight to the part about how a primate researcher qualified enough to make credible pronouncements about chimpanzee sex-for-food behavior has no more qualifications to study humans than a veterinarian would be qualified to treat people.
Heck, let’s skip that part too and go straight to the part where people who call themselves scientists ought to think twice before anthropomorphizing animals in ways that confirm dominant paradigms about human society.
Stephanie Coontz, who was and is a radical Trotskyite and hard-core radical feminist professor at the school I went to, used to tell her students that the difference between science and propaganda is that propagandists look for evidence that supports what they believe while scientists look for evidence that disproves what they believe. By her criteria Ev-Psych flunks the “it’s science” test stem to stern.
Not to try to get too (lower-case) twisty about it or anything but of course people who are so indoctrinated with patriarchy they think their justifications are scientific are going to assume that offering of food and/or sex has to be some kind of proto-prostitution. They can’t help themselves! Same with the original BBC article’s, um, wrong claim that female chimps don’t hunt. It doesn’t fit patriarchal ideology so they say it doesn’t happen. (It’s hard to Google for counterexamples at the moment because so many knee-squeezingly twittish sites are talking about this Christina Gomes character’s work but if you scroll down far enough you start seeing actual scientists saying they’re not only perfectly capable but innovative and sophisticated at it.**)
Anyway, what really chaffs my armpit hair is that while everybody’s running around trying to prove that we’re all helpless against patriarchy because monkeys, or ducks, or microscopic parasitic worms do it too they’re missing the chance to look for different metaphors in animal behavior we could, I dunno, use to subvert patriarchy.
I mean… if one is going to bother anthropomorphizing why not say female chimps decide that males that can hunt are just less boring? Or smell better? Or remind them of their mothers who brought them food when they were little? I mean, sure, patriarchy can’t see anything but hapless females and male coercion but… last I looked that was a problem with observer bias, not what might actually be going on.
[** Consider that researchers studied chimps for generations before noticing they ate meat at all, let alone killed and ate meat, let alone involved it in mating behavior. So… exactly what are the odds the first recorded instance of a female chimp improvising a spear to stab and fish out hibernating squirrels is the first time a female chimp has done it? Small? Or really, really small? —fl]
In an (appropriate, all things considered) bit of meta-meta reflections on the media’s treatment of former Wall St. prosecuting Eliot Spitzer, Digby of Hullabaloo says of ongoing twit-vs-substance questions about his presumably-former employment of expensive sex workers…
...it’s disgusting that Spitzer “has to” answer questions about his sex life at this point. They didn’t file any charges, he’s resigned from office and I don’t htink think the public really gives a damn. Certainly, they could acknowledge the scandal and then move on rather than insisting on grilling him about the details. It is gratuitous and embarrassing to everyone watching as well as the man himself. But it is typical juvenile media behavior, replete with the usual nauseating spectacle of middle aged men giggling over some other man’s sexual foibles. Ugh.
Eliot Spitzer is an expert on the financial crisis and he shouldn’t have to subject himself to the media’s puerile curiosity in order to share that expertise with the public. In a sane world, he would be working in an official capacity to straighten out this mess, but because he had unsanctioned sex he is now relegated to the sidelines —- mostly because the press can’t seem to stop acting like a bunch of Jonas Brothers fangirls whenever a story makes them feel funny down there.
Incidentally one needn’t be anti-prostitution to feel white-lipped fury about Spitzer’s peccadilloes. Whatever one feels about hiring sex workers I don’t see how it would be possible to respect anyone who a) zealously prosecuted in public precisely the kind of sex workers he b) zealously employed privately.
So. Having neutralized the knee-squeezy question we can turn to Digby’s point that, sexual peccadilloes/hypocrisy notwithstanding, Spitzer is unquestionably qualified to be a big, fat, capable, and most importantly feared stick to match any carrots offered to Wall Street titans as incentive for them helping us out of the financial mess they’ve gotten us into.
It also raises a (hypothetical but illuminating) question… sort of a reverse of the Appeal to Celebrity fallacy: would you be willing to see economic collapse if the only person who could prevent the collapse had frequented sex-workers? (Or, if you prefer, had prosecuted sex-workers and/or maybe just frequented and prosecuted them?)
Some of the comments to Courtney Martin’s perfectly ordinary, sensibly inquiring post about a re-released 1985 movie about sexual surrogates were a little, um, over the top. But that’s ok, they were substantially uninformed too.
“Word..I haven’t seen the movie or anything, but the concept creeps me out. Will another form of therapy address “anger issues” where the client gets to stab the therapist to get over his insecurity?”
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“Does anyone have any information on why this is not considered prostitution? She is having sex for money? [For the record, I do not think there is anything inherently wrong with prostitution or sexual surrogacy, I just don’t understand what the difference is.]”
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“oh please, somebody just wants a “valid” excuse to make money while having sex with random people. Nothing’s wrong with that, but don’t pretend otherwise.”
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“we act like the only possible way for a sexual part to ‘function/ is to do something. But having that part do nothing is as normal and natural and predictable as having it do something, so why do we automatically call it doing nothing ‘dysfunction’?”
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I’m not clear, was [Bay Area psychologist Bernie] Zilbergeld implying that he was pimping out the sex surrogates he worked with for non-therapeutic purposes?
What. Ever!
[To be honest the rest of this post is a bit of an old-fashioned curmudgeonly rant. If you’re not into that sort of thing I’ll totally not be offended if you don’t read on. —fl]
Yeah, it’s really nice hearing so many people just being dead sure that sex surrogacy is prostitution. Really nice. It’s like all those small-town types who are just as dead sure that massage therapists are prostitutes (the customer undresses; the therapist touches them; naked+touch=prostitution Q.E.D.)
And hey, it’s not even a totally bogus conclusion to draw: during the 1970s “massage parlour” was basically a legal euphemism for “brothel.” That this mistake drives actual non-sex-worker massage practitioners absolutely insane (from the community accusation, stigma, and avoidance standpoint) and puts them at risk of physical danger and professional embarrassment (from confused customers hoping for “happy endings) should not be “just a cost of doing business.”
But please, by all means, go ahead and assume based on very little knowledge and a 1985 movie that sexual surrogates, like massage therapists, are glorified whores.
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Let’s think for a minute about the premise of this post. Hmm. Let’s see. A movie maker decides to make a movie. His backers hint that they’d like to see a return on their investment. Society is a big knee-squeezing, voyeuristic, patriarchal mess. So the movie maker makes his decision to… surprise!... choose scenarios that he hopes are informative but that, necessarily, have maximum salacious value. Which would be, what? Women taking money to have sex with men with cliche dysfunctions like 40-year-old virginity and bad divorces.
Riiigght! Why don’t we base all our assumptions on Hollywood contingencies. Did you know Vulcans can interbreed with humans? That CSI labs are all glass, chrome, and edgy lighting with multi-million dollar machines that work every time? Did you know innocent bystanders always dive out of the way in the nick of time during high-speed car chases?
Yeah, and sex surrogates are really just prostitutes with no training, really mostly women, really working mostly with men, really working with problems they should just suck up and get over, yada yada yada.
Hey, sometimes it’s true. More often not.
I don’t know what the state of the art in surrogacy is, but I used to know someone who did. She wasn’t a sex therapist, she was (if I recall correctly) a psychiatric nurse who moonlighted on a largely volunteer basis and took what she did very seriously. She didn’t work to “cure” erectile dysfunction, she worked with mostly men who for various reasons wanted to be able to have sex but had (mostly) psychological problems that weren’t always related to sex itself but to, say, body boundary issues, PTSD. Other times the point was to overcome conditioned aversions to sexual contact, to overcome childhood sexual trauma, or to overcome issues of emotional trust. Also I’m not sure where people got the idea that surrogates only work with single men. Many patients are, or at least were, in partnerships.
And finally, it’s just not the case that sexual surrogates have actual sex with their clients. Because unless you’ve totally drunk the coolade of “sex” meaning only PIV intercourse there are generally quite a few steps… and roadblocks… before you get to intercourse. Or even get close to intercourse.
But no, please, let’s all squeeze our knees together and insist it’s illegitimate, insist it violates ethics, insist therapists “pimp out” surrogates to their clients, insist it’s all about patriarchy, insist that all clients are men and all surrogates are women, insist they’re all heterosexual, insist clients are all unkempt shlubs who should get over it, insist (dear sweet mother of pearl!) that it’s some kind of “sacred temple” revival thing, and insist it’s all about Teh Intercourse because what else could something related to sex therapy possibly be about? Because we all feel so much better when we do that we don’t have to actually, you know, think about whether it a) serves a purpose, b) meets a need, or c) might be undertaken competently, professionally, and, believe it or not, sometimes surprisingly non-salaciously.
Clue? Eight seconds with Google (try it some time) turns up lewd, suggestive code words like “These therapeutic experiences include partnerwork in relaxation, effective communication, sensual and sexual touching, and social skills training.”
“Effective communication?” Nudge, nudge, eh? “Social skills training?” A wink’s as good as a nod to a bloind man, say no more!
Another clue? (21 seconds with Google): “Often female clients will ask their therapists, or seek out therapists who are open to the possibility, to find a male surrogate with whom they might work. Largely because of the sexual double standard that continues to operate in many, if not most, therapists, however, most clients of surrogates continue to be male.” (Admittedly that was from a 1984 paper.)
Final clue? From a 2007 post about sex therapy: “a study published earlier this year in the Journal of Sexual Medicine found surrogate therapy was significantly more effective than couples therapy alone in treating vaginismus.”
Sheesh!
Matthew Yglesias points to more (right-leaning) twits vs. substance reporting, this time in the context of erstwhile New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer’s long-running battles to rein in AIG and other criminal enterprises on Wall Street. (Emphasis his.)
Michael Hill writes for the AP about Eliot Spitzer’s long struggle with AIG, his return to the spotlight, and the dim prospects for a Spitzer comeback: “It would be a long shot. The trail for a married politician caught soliciting high-priced prostitutes would likely be prohibitively steep.”
I have to say that I don’t really understand this. If soliciting prostitutes doesn’t ruin your career in Louisiana politics, why should it ruin your career in New York politics?
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...the concern about the sex scandal is almost entirely a “meta” thing, people think it’s too bad that other people see Spitzer as too tainted.
Remember, the issue with twittery isn’t that the target is innocent of the lapses in question: Spitzer unquestionably sexually cheated on his partner and broke sexual-conduct laws that, as a prosecutor, he himself would have attempted to aggressively prosecute. No, instead, especially in this case, the issue with twittery is that those who most resented his efforts to police their financial peccadilloes and who have the greatest interest in avoiding scrutiny (someone, say, who has no qualms about donating to Sen. Vitter’s reelection campaign) can simply whisper “high-end prostitute“ and all substance, pro or con, falls by the wayside.
And, as Yglesias says, they needn’t even say “I’m concerned about Spitzer’s reputation,” which for better or worse very few people… including his accusers… seem to be. Instead they can only say “I’m concerned other people will be.”
So. You probably wouldn’t be surprised to learn that sex toys are called “toys” instead of, say, sex appliances or masturbation devices for a reason. Nor would you be surprised to learn they’re called toys, or, more specifically, “novelty items” specifically because so many jurisdictions either explicitly or implicitly regulate commercial activities anything having to do with sex, let alone anything having to do with masturbation.
Ironic, then, that whereas the sale of sex devices are heavily regulated around the country (until very recently they were flat illegal in Texas) the manufacture of “novelty items” isn’t regulated at all. With the classic twittery vs. substance consequence that many such toys contain toxic and/or carcinogenic chemicals that would be prohibited if they were sold for actual use!
What? You actually use your vibrators, dildos, butt plugs, sleeves, and other items instead of having a good laugh at their novelty and then chucking them out? Who knew?!?!? :-)
That’s where Grist comes in. They’ve teamed up with Babeland to promote a funny, disarming video that both mocks the lack of safety in some products and promotes healthier, and hotter (njoy vibrators and glass dildos anyone?) alternatives.
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This isn’t Grist’s first foray into eco-friendly sex advice. See also
Hat tip to Jennifer Prediger
f.f. of Feminist Finance says of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s proposal to include birth-control funding in one of the bailout packages. She says the media’s treating the proposal as if it arose out of Peloci’s partisan eccentricity but…
There are a lot of crap suggestions on the table right now as far as what this new bailout bill will fund. Subsidized birth control for women who want it is not one of those crap suggestions. If the federal government is going to continue to pretend that it is concerned with stabilizing US households with this bailout bill, rather than just propping up big business, this is a perfect way to show it.
While certainly not a perfect system, clinics serving college students and low-income women used to be able to offer substantially subsidized birth control. When I was in school, my student health center offered birth control for $5 or $10 for a month’s supply, depending on what type you used. Enter the Deficit Reduction Act, which took effect in January 2007. It was intended to keep pharmaceutical companies from abusing Medicaid reimbursements, but it had an unforseen consequence of prohibiting longstanding arrangements between drug companies and clinics that allowed clinics to buy and distribute contraceptives at extremely discounted rates. In the wake of the Deficit Reduction Act, birth control costs for the women who use these clinics has gone up by as much as 1000%.
So it’s not as though this subsidizing birth control access is a zany, untested idea. We know it’s important. We’ve done it in the past. Let’s dial back the flipping out, or at least refocus it in other directions
Yup. Except for being about ZOMG The Sex the proposal’s actually pretty consistent with straight-up Keynesian stimulus theory: it immediately reduces household expenses for the 50-100 million households that currently pay retail for contraception, it’s “shovel ready” in the sense that it involves restarting recently-suspended programs and extending them in an off-the-shelf fashion to additional care centers, and by stabilizing household finance on the one hand and mitigating system-wide healthcare impact of unplanned, unwanted pregnancies** on the other, and doing it all at a point while individuals and institutions alike are still marshaling for as-yet undetermined social and economic fallout.
Compare that to, say, the ‘wingnut passion for “targeted tax cuts” or the (otherwise entirely laudable) progressive passion for not-yet-shovel-ready long-term infrastructure upgrades and… it actually looks entirely sensible.
Consider further than should healthcare reform pass in the next year it will almost certainly include family-planning components anyway and the proposal looks even more pragmatic.
So… why all the fuss? Especially from folks in public who privately support prevention-first style initiatives?
[** While not interfering in the least with planned, wanted pregnancies since patient participation is, duh, opt-in not opt-out. —fl]