vampires

The Two Rules of Desire, Vampires, and Ephebophiles

Mon, 2009-08-24 17:03

In the last item of a celebrity-news roundup Margaret of Jezebel quotes True Blood actor Stephen Moyer on the appeal of vampires.

“The thing about vampirism is that it taps into a female point of view – you have an old-fashioned gentleman with manners who is a fucking killer… it’s an interesting duality, because in our present society it would be an odd thing for a woman to say, ‘I want my man to be physical with me.’”

Read about it, and follow the links, here.

It’s funny, this weekend I had lunch with fellow-Seattleite-for-now Holly of The Pervocracy. Overall conclusion: she’s an awesome human being. Anyway, we were discussing various tropes in porn and pop culture and wound up dissecting the twin trends of men’s stereotypical fantasies about unrealistically young women partners as embodied in Literotica’s abundant stories about 18-year-old 8th-graders, and women’s equally stereotypical fantasies about unrealistically old men as embodied in the fantasy of 120-year-old Twilight characters with nothing better to do than sit and watch his girlfriend sleep undisturbed.

Moyer’s quote casts at least a little light on where the vampire appeal comes from. Although I’d add there’s the additional cultural reinforcement that except maybe for Sookie Stackhouse being “bad” with a vampire involves the pay-for-it slasher-movie risk getting your throat ripped out. Not a “fate worse than death,” but actual death being one way past Rule #1’s proscriptive clause.

As for the notion of men and sexually immature women I think that goes deep into Rule #2: a man with a woman who’s not yet sexually mature is sort of by-definition not going to be desirable, giving him both “permission” to apply leverage and a “what did you expect” if it doesn’t work out.

The No-Sex Class at Twilight

Wed, 2008-12-10 17:36

And speaking of fathers (and did you know I’m a “hottest daddy blogger” nominee?) how’d you like to be one of of Leonard Sax’s children? Reviewing the teenage-vampire movie Twilight, Marx in Drag says

Before I even saw the film, I read an article by Leonard Saxs about the movie “Twilight”. Sax suggested that young girls love the book series and will crowd the theatres because the narrative reflects what girls want, how girls are made hormonally/genetically/biologically/spiritually. Girls, according to Sax, want romance and safety and, above all else, an asexual life. He contrasted this with boys who want, above all else, sex which explains why they are obsessed with danger and video games.

Read the quote in context here.

Hey, it’s fine with me if teenage girls stick to asexual, cookie-baking lives, nor is it a problem if teenage boys hew to video games and Magic cards. Although really I think it would be great if they all spent a little more time doing non-arithmetic math, philosophy, poetry, hiking in the wilderness, and some kind of semi-industrial handwork like welding, leather, or hot-glass arts. Waiting till you’re physically, emotionally, and socially ready for sex (i.e. sticking to masturbation till your an adult) is never a bad idea**.

No better evidence for this exists, by the way, than Leonard Sax’s outlandish extrapolation of teenager dynamics into immutable logic about adult outlooks: modeling adult behavior on intermediate adolescent development makes as much sense as modeling adult bathroom behavior on toddlers in pull-ups.

MiD has more

Like all completely a-historical narratives that are not based in empirical reality, Sax relied on an old (and tired) lie about erotic desire. (By the way, there have been times in Western culture when boys and men overtly expressed a desire for romance; boys and men get more turned on by sex embedded in a relational narrative than porn; and there are cultures in which girls’ erotic pleasure is equally important to boys’.)

The lie is that, because girls’ are hormonally/genetically/biologically/spiritually (pick your ideological poison) conditioned to like romance, they must not want sex. And because boys are hormonally/genetically/biologically/spiritually programmed to want sex, they are not interested in romance. Since when are romance and sex so incompatible?

Um, yeah. Sort of like “porn is a male thing, romance novels a female thing” there’s actually, um, considerable overlap in consumption. And, not to beat a dead horse or anything but maybe, just maybe it’s not so much that even teenagers are “innately” romantic vs. horny as… marketing decisions, based on stereotypes, make it flipping hard to find the kind of porn and/or romantic writing that appeals to their respectively-assigned genders.

And finally

Deborah Tolman [see, for instance —fl] dispels this lie. Turns out adolescent girls do have sexual desire and, in the right context, want to talk about and do something about it. Further, Tolman has a much better explanation for why girls don’t show that desire, let alone parade it around as a badge of honor like some adolescent boys. It’s not about hormones, biology, genetics, or God’s will; it’s about male privilege.

The rest of MiB’s post discusses not what Sax sees, or even what the (patriarchal, male) author of the Twilight series sees, but what she’s pretty sure teenage girls see in it. Yes, it’s about “safety,” as Sax imagines, but it’s not the asexual safety he imagines. Definitely worth reading the whole thing. But I digress…

In his film review Leonard Sax, like many others stalwart upholders of the “no-sex” class paradigm, confidently proclaims that girls retreat has nothing to do with “social constructs.” They’re just naturally “that way.” Nor does the behavior of boys influence, nor is it in turn influenced by, girls wariness not of sex but of the male-privilege-ing assumptions of what others can do with their sexuality since they have no use for it themselves!

The “No-Sex” class paradigm, remember, has two main components: one prescriptive (you should be this way) and one proscriptive (and here’s what we get to do to you if you aren’t.) In his descriptions Sax both enforces his how he believes girls and women should be, and, by giving he blessing to thrill-seeking and violence in boys and men, he erects the pickets that confine female erotic impulses to inexpressible fantasies of … um… literarily if not literally “someone who wants to eat you alive with every fiber of his being.” (Follow that last link to Amanda Marcotte’s take on the Twilight phenomenon.)

[** A good metric for knowing you’re mature enough? When you’re able to grasp and hold on to the fact that despite decades of frantic sexualization of youth roughly half of all 2nd-year college students, male and female, are still virgins. Because if you get that then you lose the often self-induced “everybody else has already done it” peer-pressure-y feeling that if you don’t do something soon you’ll be the last virgin on the planet. At which point you might decide you want to have sex for enjoyment instead of as some kind of rite of passage. Because, for instance, one good metric of adulthood is realizing that adulthood doesn’t depend on rites of passage. —fl]

One Case For Pure Intolerance

Tue, 2008-01-15 16:45


Photo by Flickr user greenwithevil. Used under a Creative Commons license.

In comments to an earlier lolicon post Cassandra of Cassandra Says said

I keep running into people who insist that there’s nothing weird or wrong about lolicon or shota because after all it doesn’t feature real kids, and the ink is not being harmed…and yet the problem remains that, even if it’s never acted upon, why would an adult be attracted to children? Within my online circles it seems to be considered judgemental and in poor taste to suggest that such an attraction may indicate that something has gone wrong with the wiring of the person with that attraction, and that far from being sex-positive, supporting such things may actually be rather sex negative, for all the reasons you’ve outlined.

Eh, I’m frustrated and just glad to see someone else who I trust as being smart and certifiably not a prude raising the same issues I have with this stuff.

Here’s a link to her comment in that post.

First of all, not to disappoint but I’ll go one step further along the tolerance line and confidently that, even if somehow they couldn’t figure it out in advance, 99.9% of all aficionados of Japanese-style pedophile porn would be bitterly disappointed should they ever attempt to fulfill their fantasies with actual children because, you know, children aren’t just fully-functional miniature adults who are only “less inhibited and judgmental” than grownups.

Location on the sexual-tolerance line is all beside the point, though, since the question isn’t whether there’s something wrong with the child-attracted grown ups or not, but that when grown ups have sex with kids it tends to really fuck up the kid’s sex lives when they grow up. Therefore even if “lolicon” sex cured cancer it would still be problematic the way cannibalism is problematic: it involves consuming one person to gratify another.

So here’s the tricky part: if one is tolerant enough to be cool with destructive consumption of others then… well, then by definition one is also cool enough in turn to tolerate ruination of a consumer’s sex life in exchange for future gratification of his or her victims! And whenever coolness/tolerance balances out? well, then other considerations such as, oh, I dunno, Pareto optimization come into play. In which case consumptive destructives such as pedophiles, rapists, serial killers, sexual cannibals, and (sorry Anne Rice fans) vampires fall short. Way short.

Fun to have something about sex that, for once, both sexually tolerant and intolerant people can agree is disagreeable this shouldn’t be seen as a camel’s nose under the tent. When I was in college one of my math professors gave a too-brief introduction to a fairly esoteric field of math he called fixed-point approximation theory. I don’t recall much more than the gist, since by the end of that year my brain was way past full, but fixed-point theory evidently explains things like why on any given number line there will be one point that’s equivalent to zero, how if you find a hairy billiard ball there will always be a “crown” on it somewhere, and how if you take two pieces of paper, crumple one no matter how tightly, and lay the crumpled one on top of the flat one there will be at least one point on the crumpled piece that’s directly over the corresponding flat one.

Did I say esoteric? Why yes I did! But in each case that fixed-point approximation examines (sez my old professor) logic dictates there always exists a single point of stability. A fairly common conservative criticism of tolerances (and an even more common flaw of proponents of tolerance) is the point that if one was really tolerant then one would also tolerate those who oppose toleration. I think fixed-point approximation theory, both metaphorically and, I’m going to guess, logically, lets us call bullshit on that: just as a number line is going to have a zero on it somewhere — and you know how zero breaks parts of arithmetic like division without at all invalidating it — then there can be a “zero point” in tolerance that doesn’t just permit but to be logically consistent requires intolerant defense of the system. Well, so too with sexual tolerance: one can be as intolerant of destructive sexual consumption as a former Missouri Attorney General without ever agreeing with one on any other point.

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