vanilla sex

TWG Disappoints Caitlin Flanagan, Figures Out What She Likes, Doesn't Feel Bad About Herself For Asking

Thu, 2011-01-20 01:33

TWG who's been blogging for nine years and who I've been following since I started my blog six years ago (today!) and who is now blogging at yet another new location has some cool insights about disclosing her sexual proclivities instead of just bottling them up.

I used to deny this stuff, just get to it in my head (or alone), but with the last few guys, I just let it fly. And you know what? It's better. First off, I've been older and more confident sexually, which helps A LOT. Second, I know now that if the reaction is, "you're a freak" that's their problem and certainly not mine -- just because your needs don't match up doesn't mean anyone is a freak. Vanillians, enjoy your vanilla. Knot fetishists, tie up your BD-loving friends. Etc.

So the new guy? He's game. And thinks it's cool, and that we have great sex together (I think so, too). He likes how I respond to the stuff I *told him* works for me. I like that he likes to do it. So yeah.

It's so important to figure out what works for you and get to the point where you can own it. You will have so much more fun in every part of your life that way, but especially in the bedroom (or random bar bathroom, wherever floats your particular boat). I'm glad I finally gained that experience and confidence that let me do so.

Source: watergirl down

Not sure what Caitlin Flanagan would have to say.  Except maybe that she's really disappointed that TWG seems to be growing happier, more confident, and more self-expressed with both her hookups and long-term relationships as she grows instead of all dried up and unhappy and, I dunno, all covered in chewing gum with sweater lint in it or something.

It kind of makes you think that happiness has something to do with doing what you want instead of, y'know, doing what you just think you're supposed to.  (Whether that's thinking you're supposed to have fewer partners than you've had, as Flanagan would tell us, or if you think you should have had more, as, say the PUA folks say we all should.)

On the Impossibility of Navigating the Scilla of Too Vanilla and Charybdis of Kink Without Common Language to Map It

Mon, 2010-08-30 13:07

Holly of The Pervocracy, talking about normal vs. kinky brings up one interesting data point…

All I know is that if I have to sit through another conversation at work on the topic of “my husband and I are never in bed together and that’s awesome because gosh it’s such a pain having to deal with those icky things he wants”, I’m going to explode and tell them everything.

She said it here.

and one of her commenters brought up another…

Is ‘icky things he wants’ non-vanilla sex or is it sex at all? I’m over on the asexual end of the spectrum, and if I came out with something like, “Actually, I’d be perfectly happy to never bother with sex again,” at work, I would be stuck spending the rest of the season putting up with well-meaning busybodies demanding that I justify my marriage.

He or she said that here.

Pretty wild, right? If you’re “too” sexual (in Holly’s emergency-medical staff workgroup that evidently includes owning a vibrator) you get branded a wild child. But! On the other hand, as the commenter pointed out, if you’re not sexual you’re in for a world of scrutiny as well. All made worse by our general reluctance to discuss whatever “happy medium” it is we’re all supposed to “naturally” have.

Or, as yet another of Holly’s commenters, Mousie76, puts it

I don’t think normal, vanilla people know what normal and vanilla is like, because part of being normal and vanilla is not really talking about it.

Much hilarity does not ensue.

Ok, Time to Stop Treating Healthy Vanilla Relationships as if We Already Know Everything That Needs to be Known About Them

Mon, 2010-06-21 22:28

You know, the anonymously-authored blog 25 Things About My Sexuality provides an imperfect but still very good window into other people’s takes on their own sexuality. The premise is you email 25 things about your sexuality to the listed address and, as far as I can tell, whereupon they’re published. I have no idea whether and/or how they’re selected, filtered, or edited — which is part of what I mean about its imperfection. But the results are varied enough to offer insights into sexual experience one might not otherwise get.

At any rate, an entry from June 15, 2010 begins 1. This account is going to be less colorful than some, but it may also be more typical. Us vanilla people have stories to tell, too.

If you follow the link you’ll find a perfectly average, and perfectly wonderful, account of a 21-year-old heterosexual, self-defined vanilla woman who’s very comfortable with her sexuality in the context of the relationships she’s had with her partners.

After a couple of great conversations last week in New York and D.C., some brief and some very long, with a number of very thoughtful people it’s just been really sinking in lately how deeply we take relationships as a given when we confer about sex, kink, gender, and media.

It’s not that we don’t take relationships into account. We do! It’s just that we tend to treat them sort of the way birds treat air or fish treat water.

I’d really like to see that changed. A one-night stand is a relationship. Two people watching porn together are in a relationship, even when they’re not also long-term partners. A customer who hires a sex worker is in a relationship, and, more significantly, may be in a domestic relationship with another partner as well. Conversely, those who’s sex and romance life is limited to vibrators, lube, and/or tissues in the solitude of their own bedrooms may not be in relationships — a phenomenon that also tends to be handwaved away with terms like “loser,” “low status,” “cat lady,” “loner,” or even “asexual,” rather than considered as a social being. But I digress…

It seems to me that the most of most people’s sex lives more or less resemble the anonymous poster’s, which we tend to dismiss as the neutral flavor to which all the more interesting flavors of kink may be added. And yet… and yet… without that base what’s left is often just a bunch of pretty syrup and sprinkles puddled in the bottom of the bowl. And even without the added flourishes the base tends to still be… pretty fucking fantastic.

Again that’s not to say the extra flavors, textures, aromas, and sprinkles of kink are without merit. Quite the opposite, they’re often delightful. I just think we should stop taking “vanilla” for granted.

Not least, I might add, it should stop being taken for granted by “vanilla” people themselves.

My Problem With the Word "Kink" is a Lot Like My Problem With the Word "Gourmet"

Mon, 2010-04-05 14:48

So back in the days of my stay-at-home dad career, when online forums like Compuserve and Usenet were current and blogs were still a gleam in a few pioneer’s eyes I used to hang out on a couple of parenting and home-life forums. Topics ranged all over the map, obviously, but some of them were pretty recipe intensive.

I’ll never forget* a short thread on, I think, meatloaf or meatball sauces for spaghetti where one poster said her sister in law was “a real gourmet” because she used French onion soup mix instead of regular onion soup mix in her recipes. She said it in a way that implied she was slightly admiring, slightly intimidated, and maybe slightly unsure the extra effort would be worth it.

Anyway, the other day in conversation one fairly staid (as far as I know) friend mentioned to another that a particular camisole could be worn under a jacket as a blouse. (Or maybe a blouse could be worn like a camisole? Either way it seemed pretty darn innocuous.) The other friend’s eyes grew wide and she laughed and said, with what sure seemed like sincerity to me, “you really are a little kinky aren’t you?”

So what can you say to that anyway? Is French onion soup mix gourmet in a way that regular onion soup mix isn’t? More to the point, is French onion soup mix on the same continuum with Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top (with or without spam) in some way that plain onion soup mix isn’t?

Well, similar problems present themselves with “kink” then don’t they? It’s not that there’s no such thing, any more than there’s no such thing as “gourmet.” It’s that if French onion soup mix can be gourmet and wearing a camisole as a top can be kinky then there’s virtually no such thing that can’t be “gourmet” or “kink!”

And in the case of “kink,” the intense self-restraint that must be imposed in order to avoid any hint of “kinkiness” at all is restrictive enough to constitute a kink in its own right!

* Ok, I guess if I can’t remember if it was meatloaf or pasta sauce I eventually will forget, but I won’t forget the “real gourmet” remark. —fl

"Vanilla" vs. "Kink" - Calico on Normal vs. Abnormal Psychology

Tue, 2009-05-12 14:48

Further reflections on “vanilla,” “kink” and negotiations. At Sex 2.0 I finally got to meet Miss Calico of Dominatrix Next Door. A week or two ago Calico wrote with warmth and fondness about a BDSM scene she played in with an acquaintance. In addition to sounding eye-rollingly painful for her (which I can handle) her description sounded dangerously out of control (which alarmed me.) I mentioned this to her, in rather maudlin terms that surprised both her and her top.

We talked about it a little further when we met in person and she said, with some exasperation, that she hadn’t thought it was necessary to write about the extensive email, phone, and in-person negotiations she and her partner had gone through to detail exactly what they intended to do together, what to expect from each other, what their limits and squicks might be, what their contingencies would be, nor did she think it necessary to talk about their communications before and during the scene nor the details of aftercare afterwards.

I said it made perfect sense that she wouldn’t want to do that in her post but that I thought it would be nice for her to talk more about negotiation and aftercare in her blog because a lot of (CoughVanillaCough) people who might like to try kinky things would probably have better experiences if they knew more about it.

The blank look she gave me was worth the price of the plane ticket. “People already know to do that,” says she. So I tried to rephrase it, saying that I knew people heard about things like “safe words” but not so much else and that there really wasn’t a lot of discussion of “sub drop” and aftercare and that it didn’t just come naturally because negotiation, communication, reconsideration, and aftercare isn’t really part of standard heteronormative scripts. _[Aside: would The Ethical Slut. What was different, though, and what drove home the point was Calico’s sense of shocked aggravation not with what happens during vanilla sex but with what generally doesn’t happen before. And after. (Think being criticized for driving race cars by people who don’t even wear seat belts.)

Which leaves one wondering which practices, exactly, should and should not be discussed in the sexual disorders and fetishes sections of ab-psych classes.

Testing conventions and kink

Tue, 2007-10-02 23:00

So lately I’ve been playing around with a couple of open-source-style online matching services. I’m not actually looking for matches (and I make that pretty clear in my “profile” statements) but I have been curious. The standard format seems to be they ask you a bunch of essay-type questions that are pretty much there for the benefit of actual humans who want to check you out, and then they also ask you a bunch of multiple-choice questions that their algorithms then process to decide who ought to… well… look at the essay-type questions you answered to see if you’re as good a match as the algorithms think you are.

Some of the services have these poll/quiz “Which Smurf Are You” sections that seem to be a big source of the “You are an [interesting-sounding juxtaposition]” badges that show up in other people’s blogs. (Can’t remember where but I swear I just saw one for “Would a Klingon think you’re hot in bed?” which, without being the slightest bit judgmental (really!), I think might important to some people.

Anyway, one of the things that seems to pop out in the “how kinky are you” sort of quizzes is that bisexual men and women tend to rate higher that straight or gay ones.

On average the tests (derived, perhaps from the ancient “purity tests”) seem to conflate experience with kinkiness such that if you can answer “yes” to both “same-gender sex” or “opposite-gender sex” then you’re going to score as kinkier than someone who answers, say, only “same-gender sex.”

And, libertine prude that I am, I take issue with that because… um… how, exactly, is it kinky to have partners that match your orientation? If you’re oriented to both and you’ve had sex with both then cool, maybe you get points for having had sex with several partners but, again I’m not sure how that makes someone kinky.

Now I have to admit that because I’m convinced nearly everything we claim is “kinky” is actually perfectly normal I might not be the right person to speak authoritatively about this. But really, really there’s a huge difference between simple experience and “kink.” I’m not saying one is better than the other, but they shouldn’t be confused.

[Fair warning: There’s more, um, nudity than usual behind the following link. —fl]

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