women as property

Problems With "Ownership" in Relationships: How the Concept of "Your Boyfriend" Amplifies Not Only Arrogance but Insecurity

Sun, 2011-09-04 16:32

Holly is talking about not just the down and outers emergency room patients who, as she picks beer-bottle glass out of their scalps drunkenly tell her "Gosh, ain't you as sweet thing... do you have a boyfriend?"

I just say "yes." But that's a partial answer, because they asked the wrong question. They asked something like five different kinds of the wrong question.

The full answer is: "Yes, but he doesn't care who I sleep with, but I bloody well care who I sleep with!"

Perhaps I'm reading too much into the drunken advances of the sort of guy who tries to hit on the person who's picking glass out of his wounds, but it unnerves me that my boyfriend's right to my body is counted as more important than my own, even when he's not around. They're trying to establish whether I'm owned, not whether I'm interested.

Source: The Pervocracy

She doesn't say, but I'd like to imagine, that drunken women patients in similar circumstances ask Holly's male colleagues similar questions about whether they have girlfriends. Based on my experiences as a beer-bar bartender that catered to the young, hip, and alive crowd only at night, I'm guessing that too does at least occasionally happen.

Aside: This does not mean "oh well, then if women really do ask men then it's all hunky dory. In particular if you read the comments on Holly's post it's pretty clear that while women sometimes do pull the ownership card, even the drunken well-too-bad-you're-"taken" version, it's rarely done in the context of what amounts to an extension of street harassment.

That said, there really is a sort of general respect for relationship "ownership" that goes beyond respect for particular individuals in those relationships. Since gender is socially constructed I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that different genders might have different reasons for honoring relationship "ownership." For instance it could be that men want to know because an angry boyfriend might confront him over messing with "his" partner. And it could be that women are just disinclined to mess with another woman's partner for fear that said partner would eventually just mess around with her. And no, seriously, it really could be those things.

I'd just point out that what makes it gendered isn't that men might respond more to one concern than another. What makes it gendered is that outside of gender thinking both concerns -- confrontation with a transgressed partner and the prospect of being run around on in turn -- are exactly equally probable outcomes regardless of the sex of either or both parties. (Because, seriously, relationship ownership transcends sex, orientation, identity, etc.)

Anyway, years and years ago, maybe as far back as the late 1980s, one of the local mainstream newspapers briefly carried a syndicated arts-and-leisure section columnist who focused on intentional single life. At one point he wrote a column about how the implications of saying "my boyfriend" or "my wife," or "my date for the evening," or even "my friend" are problematic in terms of presumption and ownership. He said it would probably be a better idea to just say "this is John, we're married" or "Joan and I went out last night."

I can't remember if the columnist said it outright, but I was really struck by the notion that speaking about your relationships in terms of shared experience rather than possession wasn't just excruciatingly "correct." Instead it also carries the implication that instead of being with you because, well, they're obliged to be because they're "yours," if someone's not a possession they're probably with you because want to be with you.

Call me crazy, here, but this seems like yet another lesson people with experience in polyamory and promiscuity can bring back to the culture of monogamy: in all but the most toxic relationships you're not partners with people because as "your" partner they have to be, any more than (again for the most part) you're partners with someone else not because you're "theirs" but because you actually kind of like, love, have the hots for, are interested in, like being around, and so on.

 

Proposition (Gr)8: When Marriage is About Partnership and Not Property the Sexes of the Partners No Longer Matters

Thu, 2010-08-05 15:41


Image by Aaron G on the thoroughly enjoyable GraphJam.com.

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon, echoing something I was muttering to myself in the car this morning, nails why marriage equality is now a good idea even if, in the past, the whole idea might have seemed as incomprehensible as the idea that commoners and the aristocracy went to the same heaven. (Oh, wait!)

There are many parts of Judge Walker’s decision overturning Prop 8 that are delicious reading, but the most interesting part was how Walker repeatedly stressed that marriage had already changed—-that strict gender roles that justified restricted marriage in the past have already gone away.  We all know what he’s talking about: men don’t legally own their wives anymore, no-fault divorce degenders divorce legally, women are allowed to work and men to care for children, the legal restrictions on women’s rights in marriage have mostly fallen away.  Spouses aren’t legally distinct anymore, so there’s no reason to say they have to be different genders. 

She said it here.

Wives were once a man’s property in exactly the same way (in fact in exactly the same Biblical Commandment) as a man’s house or his servants or his cattle. And so when ‘wingers speak in outraged tones that once gay marriage was allowed the marriage between men and dogs might be next they don’t see it as that big a leap.

Since marriage is no longer a purchase, and brides no longer become the property of the groom “to have and to hold,” after the father “gives her away,” the tradition underlying “traditional marriage” is already dead. Instead marriage is now a partnership between equals rather than an acquisition of property or livestock. And being a partnership between equals the sex of those partners is no longer relevant.

Works for me!

(Graphjam image via David Kurtz and Breakup Girl.)

Distinguishing People From Victims in Migration

Tue, 2008-12-16 11:09

Cool point about gendered thinking from Laura Agustín of Border Thinking on Migration, Culture, Economy and Sex

Protocols attached to the UN Convention on Transnational Organised Crime attempt to distinguish between trafficking and smuggling of people. The trafficking protocol explicitly mentions women, children, coercion and prostitution: absent is any mention of the will to migrate. The smuggling protocol, in contrast, discusses men as migrants and does not speak of sex or prostitution. This gender bias has several negative, confusing effects.

  • Women are positioned as sexually vulnerable above all
  • Women are lumped with children as though we were children
  • Women are not seen as capable of initiating migrations
  • Women are not seen as capable of preferring to sell sex over other options
  • Men are not seen as capable of being trafficked in the worst sense Men are not seen as capable of preferring to sell sex over other options
  • Men are associated with dodgy behaviour such as paying someone to help them get around the rules

Read the quote in context here.

Y’know how MRAs are always saying stuff with the template “But men can be {insert whatever} too?” And how there are, like, 1,000 institutionalized yeah-but rebuttals? Yeah, me too. That’s why I’m not going to say “but men can be trafficked too.”

How ‘bout I say instead that women can know what they’re doing too? That women can independently recognize they don’t want a dead-end life in a 2nd- or 3rd- world or rust-belt village. That women can aspire to more than a life of borscht stirring or water-jug toting. That women can initiate the same steps to get the heck out? That, as Agustín delicately reminds us, that women aren’t children?

I mean… c’mon!

It’s not that women or children can’t be exploited for sex (um, not at all.) Nor that women, any more than men, can wind up in bad situations or worse when they undertake to seek uncertain fortunes in the world rather than rot in certain poverty and oppression (um, not at all.)

It’s that failing to recognize the possibility in 1st-world, world-class aid agencies that women are people says much about their attitudes and the attitudes of their funding bodies.

I mention this in no small part because, while I don’t know about the rest of the world, or even the rest of the United States, there are noticeable numbers of women from, especially, the 2nd world (the former Soviet Union, Romania, Bulgaria, and urban Africa) in clerical, retail, technology, restaurant, and other trades positions. In what conversations I’ve had with them they weren’t “brought” here by husbands or fathers or brothers, they came here.

And yes, for the most part they’re here legally. (I say “most” because, for instance, I’m pretty sure none of the three young Russians, one a woman, who came door-to-door asking if we wanted our house painted a few years ago weren’t here legally.) But that’s not the point. According to the UN Convention on Transnational Organised Crime’s checklist they don’t exist at all!

In other words this post isn’t about what smugglers and traffickers think of migrant women, it’s what we think of them. It’s not about their attitudes about the fates, or roles, or natures of women it’s about ours.

And it’s relevant not because some… too many if there are any... women are bought and sold. It’s that by imagining all women migrate involuntarily, or even only reluctantly, whereas only men migrate freely or even enthusiastically we mask rather than distinguish those who really do get in over their heads.

Yeah, But Who's Gate? Part 27,629

Fri, 2008-05-09 09:23


Photo by Flickr user Tierecke. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Via Louise Livesey of The F-Word Blog comes word of women’s “gatekeeper role” in action… because, you know, MRAs are just so right about how women hold all the power when it comes to sex…


[T]here comes news of this case from the US in which a woman fought off a sexual assault assailant, only to be punished by a crowd of laughing men with a second sexual assault.

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[Melissa] Bruen reported to the crowd that [a man] had just sexually assaulted her to which one man replied “You think that was assault?”. He then pulled down her top and forcibly grabbed her breasts. The crowd yelled in pleasure completely ignoring that Bruen was being sexually assault seemingly for their viewing pleasure. Bruen reported the attacks to the Police but the crowds made it impossible for Police to single out her attacker(s) (mind they could just have arrested them all – I’m with Jackie Fleming on this, if men can’t be trusted out at night, don’t let them onto the streets).

Read the quote in context here.

The problem with the myth of (hetero) sexual scarcity isn’t “stuff like this wouldn’t happen if women just put out more.” Because women do “put out” more than ever before without much affecting the myth, or it’s consequences, one bit.

Instead the problem with the myth of sexual scarcity is that you wind up with a climate of wherein men feel not desperate for sex with women but entitled to whatever they can get. But it’s a funny sort of “entitlement.” Entitlement, no question about it, but an astonishingly alienated kind.

Can I just make one perilous little point? In her post Livesey adds

Whether we face up to it or not, sexual violence is still seen as sexy. Think about the Vegas story earlier this week, think about this one, then tell me they aren’t essentially about the same thing – male power and the presumption of women’s silence and obedience.

It’s not sexy. It’s something else. You know how in Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape Susan Brownmiller revolutionized the understanding of rape as a crime of violence rather than a crime of sex? Well then who, exactly, is the act of violence directed against? I’d like to propose that what’s perceived as entitlement by the victims of… call it the spectrum of leverage that ranges from economics to tradition to drugging, intimidation, and violent criminal assault… is perceived by their assailants as rebellion. What’s especially sickening is that, as in this case and the Johnny Vegas “comedy” assault is that it’s always rebellion committed on the bodies of women but almost never “personally” against the individual women themselves. Which, incidentally, rather irrefutably puts women in the class defined by classical feminism. No matter how one decides to title it, it’s still a definitional class.

But here’s the deal: men are going to keep doing shit like what they did to Melissa Bruen (without, incidentally, having either particular sexual attraction for her — the first fallacy — or grudge against her — the second fallacy) until we, and they, understand what, exactly, the fuck they think they’re rebelling against.

And if I can just make everybody’s head explode for a moment, can I just suggest that what they’re rebelling against is patriarchy?**

And that therefore they’re doing a particularly shitty job of it?

How can anyone be so stupid! How can everyone be so stupid. How can we all be so stupid? Arrrgggg it just pisses me off!

[** And yes, it makes my head explode too. And yes, I wish I hadn’t thought it. And no, obviously that’s not what they’re thinking. And no, even if they realize they’re rebelling/tantrum-ing they obviously don’t think it’s patriarchy they’re rebelling against. —fl]

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