worthiness trap

The Beauty Trap: Fitness Vs. Fashion and Who Sets Standards of Beauty and Who's It All Supposed to Be For Anyway?

Ok, so I feel really uncomfortable going here because it takes me back to when I was, like, a horny 17-year-old boy… and because it’s about fashion, which is always sort of a loaded issue but…

In a very cool post on body/mass indexes, working out vs. dieting, and standards of attraction Amanda Marcotte over at Pandagon said

“...a lot of women polled still found women like Alba attractive, but 41% said that muscles are never attractive on women. 72% said they don’t think men find muscles on women attractive, and 77% said that they don’t think women find them attractive.”

Read the rest of her excellent post here.

S’cuse me but… this is going to sound like male privilege out the wazoo or something (I promise it’s not) but… but… who gives a crap what women think other women should look like?!?

I ask because it’s certainly the case that women appear to care hugely more about how other women look than men do. And also appear to care hugely more about how other women think they look than how men think they look.

If I was an MRA or something I’d snuffle about how it’s so unfair that Teh Feminists blame men for forcing women into unhealthy diets, uncomfortable shoes, entire toxic waste dumps full of cosmetics and hair products and (worst of all in my opinion anyway) clothes without pockets that… cost two to five times as much to purchase as men’s and two to ten times as much to (dry!) clean. When, as this survey shows, women are full of the harsh towards other women.

Of course I’m not an MRA so I’ll go with stuff Hegel, or Naomi Wolfe, or Susie Orbach and say something about the feminine beauty trap which, like the corresponding masculine worthiness trap is a product of our self-criticism and self-policing in the face of our gendered expectations. And that is sure seems like there’s sort of the opposite of that stupid joke about bears and running shoes where we tell ourselves if we’re going to get the man/woman/whatever of our dreams we can’t just meet the typical non-gendered threshhold of attractiveness to the opposite gender and instead perceive that we have to beat everyone else who might also be interested in them. With the result that we’re more acutely attuned to the nuances of… whatever gender trap is assigned to us than members of the opposite sex are ever likely to be…

...with the result that, ironically, we’re likely to be more judgmental of, and have higher standards for, ourselves and our peers than the prospective partners we’re allegedly competing for. Which is why I think it’s an escalating trap. To the point that, say, women can wind up saying things like “don’t kiss me I just did my hair” and men say things like “I can’t come home now, I’m not earning enough to keep you happy” that are objectively dumb but subjectively make perfect sense to them.

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But what I really wanted to say was I think it’s weird that the report would gather statistics on whether other women think buff women are unattractive. Which goes back, I think, to me being gender, and probably cis- and all kinds of other privileged after all. Because when I hear “women are” attractive/unattractive/whatever I automatically append “to men.” As if that was the only criteria that matters. And I’m not sure it’s a good excuse that that really is supposed to be what the whole attractiveness industry is predicated on.

And now after saying that I’m going to add that I think 77% of women are out of their minds if they don’t think men think muscles on women are attractive. It’s as dumb as saying 77% of men think women aren’t interested in men who don’t have… I dunno… high-paying jobs or something. Because I’m pretty sure a heck of a lot fewer than 77% of men think buff women are unattractive. I mean, seriously, I don’t get it.

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One more thing: in comment #29 to Amanda’s post La Lubu said: “Women’s clothing—-outside of workout clothes—-doesn’t come in an ‘athletic’ cut the way men’s clothing does.” That part certainly is true. In the past I spent a lot of time doing pool aerobics with athletes recovering from knee, foot, and leg injuries and it’s certainly true that contemporary women’s clothes, ironically, don’t seem to “flatter” fit women’s bodies as well as they do women who aren’t as fit. Except, I guess, in the pool or at the beach.

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Things like this make you wonder who invented heterosexuality anyway? I mean, I like being heterosexual and all but wow, for something that’s supposed to be “how nature made us” we end up doing a lot of embarrassing things to ourselves and each other.

Can't Buy Me Love: Meditation on the Male Worthiness Trap in the Movie 'Scarface'

In a flirtatious text exchange with a much older-sounding former partner Hedonistic Pleasureseeker finds an interesting reference to the belief in self-imposed sexual scarcity (not to mention acquired privilege) in the gendered-male worthiness trap. (Emphasis mine.)

Misha1: Uhhhh… Hmmmm… I think… that just might be me except I’s want something on a more permanent basis  I took on Tony Montana’s position on life

Me: ?

Misha1: From Scarface… with Al Pacino he said…while at a bar in South Beach… First you getta the money… then you geta the power and THEN... you getta the woman!

Me: hahahha Now while I’m flattered you felt you had to go make a bazillion before calling me again, that really wasn’t necessary ya know.
(PS: I’m kidding)

She transcribed the conversation here.

All the more reason why I’ll probably never watch Scarface. It didn’t really work that way for me. And for whatever faults I may have in my character, and however many mistakes I’ve learned from and however many more mistakes I’ve yet to make, it’s surely the case that the times I’ve spent trying to accumulate money and power have tended to be the times of greatest loneliness and alienation from potential partners.

In an odd way I think it’s sort of a corollary to the way men hear “there’s nothing sexier than a man doing dishes:” heterosexual relationships in general, and sex in particular, must be earned.

What’s particularly harsh about the entire proposition, aside from that whole transactional/privilege thing, is there’s no room at all in there for, oh, say, love or affection or (human, peer-to-peer) companionship. (To be fair what I think they think is supposed to happen is the old-school sort of idea that love develops from obligation, loyalty, familiarity, proximity, and necessity.)

The No-Sex Class: The True Source of Sexual Scarcity (Clue #2: It Wasn't Women)

Following up on my personal story in my previous post. In that post I mentioned that when I was what amounted to a wandering wastrel, often homeless, perpetually jobless, hitch-hiking endlessly and aimlessly hoping to find work, or more often parties I was hooking up for sex with two and sometimes three partners a month. Occasionally two in a weekend.

Which I’m pretty sure most people who think in terms of “seed spreading” and “track records” that would be considered a pretty good one.

You know what’s funny though?

It’s funny in a highly indicative way.

Because I believed hook, line, and sinker in male sexual scarcity, the Two Rules of Desire and the whole dominant paradigm of women as the“no-sex” class I didn’t think that was very good at all.

In fact I was miserable!

I thought I was a sexual loser.

Because…

Because in the dominant paradigm it’s not how many women you’re partners with.

It’s how many you aren’t.

And how hard it is to find them.

And how much work it is to get into their pants.

And how if someone has dark hair you think you’d be better off if they were blond.

And how if someone has blond hair you think you’d be better of if their hair were red.

And how if they’re tall and willowy you think it would be better if they had bigger breasts.

And if they’re busty you think it would be better if they had long legs.

And so the whole time you’re a happy, healthy, sexually active man with on the order of dozens of generally highly intelligent, attractive, often adventurous, and generally highly-compatible partners…

You’re conditioned… even if only conditioned by yourself… to believe you’re a loser.

Because (to borrow pickup-artist parlance) there are “higher status” guys out there — rock stars, or millionaires, or playboys or… something — with even more partners than you.

You know what’s really funny though? Once I started to “settle down.” Meaning I’d found myself a job, and an apartment, and stopped freewheeling around the country, I started making up all sorts of stories about how nobody would go out with me. Because I didn’t have a car. Because I only worked in a pizza place. Because I wasn’t well-enough dressed. Or not a good enough musician.

This hadn’t been a problem before. The people I’d hooked up with while, say, hitch-hiking through Washington D.C. or north New Jersey or central Virginia hadn’t worried “hmm, he doesn’t have a car so I don’t want to be talked to, romanced, kissed, held, undressed, made love to.” They thought “mmm, I want to be talked to, romanced, kissed, held, undressed, made love to.”

But once I got it into my head that I had to be materially successful… where I was the one defining what success meant… I didn’t even give them the chance. I cut myself off.

Of course I assumed it was the women I had crushes on. The women I “knew” wouldn’t give me the time of day. The women I tried to be “nice guys” around.

Want to know another funny thing?

I run into some of those women every now and then. And in retrospect I’m… pretty sure they’d have been happy to go out with me. If I’d let them… if I’d let myself.

In other words it wasn’t so much them as it was me.

I could have turned into an MRA, easy as pie. One of those guys who’s so fueled with bitterness at his “low-status” condition he… well… creeps virtually all his potential partners. Fortunately I’d had a healthy dose of experience, of partners who were into early 70’s feminism — not always pleasant (sometimes not at all) and so while I was sequestering myself, and really clueless about how the whole thing was working out, I didn’t blame individuals in particular or women in general.

Instead I kind of bumbled along, chilled a little, got a little more integrated into my community, figured out where to start hanging out, and started meeting people, some of whom became sex partners, more of whom became friends. Then a few years later I moved out West, went to college (in my mid-20s) and meeting those same kind of progressive women I’d had such great encounters with years before. And while I was never as wild again as I had been I had some great relationships. Again some sexual, others not.

It wasn’t till just recently though that I finally figured out who’s fault it was that I was never getting “enough.”

It was my fault. For buying into a whole heaping pile of dominant paradigm.

Another funny thing? I’m pretty sure I could be a lot more sexually active these days. With a fair number of partners — maybe more than I ever was partners with in my wildest days.

But you know what? The last funny thing?

Even if I couldn’t I probably wouldn’t mind.

Know why?

Because now I know that’s not the only way to measure my worth.

Because I know it wouldn’t be about “getting lucky” or “scoring” or talking anyone into something she didn’t really want to do. Because she was turned on when she was around me. Because she knew I got turned on being around her. And because that’s how good sex really works.

In no small part I’ve got feminism to thank for finally getting that.

2nd wave feminism. Especially 3rd-wave feminism.

Even, the more I come to understand what they’re really talking about, a lot of radical feminism.

Pretty cool.

A lot of men could have that too.

They just have to open the doors of the prisons they construct for themselves and the people around them.

And walk out.

Self-Perception vs. Partner Desire Deepens Our Beauty/Worthiness Traps

Anna N. of Jezebel references two studies, one a vague study on the benefits of larger thigh size (which may be a good proxy for overall muscle mass) and lifetime health, and then, getting right to the heart of the beauty trap (emphasis mine…)

A similarly mixed blessing is a survey (by research giants Date.com, Matchmaker.com and Amor.com), in which 85% of men agreed that, “A couple of extra pounds are fine by me.” We’re not sure if “a couple of extra pounds” means “as long as you’re not fat or anything,” but it’s nice to be reminded that most men don’t expect women to look like the cover of Self magazine.

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The survey also found that 90% of women think “men find extra weight unattractive.” Says Shira Zwebner, “relationship adviser” for Date.com, Matchmaker.com and Amor.com, “Unfortunately, these types of misconceptions between the sexes are extremely common, and result in a lot of missed dating and relationship opportunities.” So don’t miss an opportunity! Join our dating sites today! Or, you know, love your body, and don’t try to make it smaller based on what you think men want — or bigger based on science that has yet to be confirmed.

Read the excerpts in context and follow the links here.

The same things can be said for men’s gendered worthiness-trap concerns about money, class, muscles, and (especially) penis size — it’s not that size, weight, clothes, or cars (or, breast or penile implants) don’t matter to our partners. It’s that they almost never matter as much to our opposite genders as we are led (or lead ourselves) to believe they do… “result in a lot of missed dating and relationship opportunities.”

Mystery Method for Women

Hortense of Jezebel has a great post reviewing worst-person-in-the-world candidate Dr. Pat Allen’s new dating-advice book The Truth About Men Will Set You Free: ...but first it’ll p*ss you off! Her advice, in a nutshell, is for women to fall victim to the Beauty Trap in order to meet male victims of the Worthiness Trap. Here’s a snippet Hortense passes on from an interview of Allen by Erin Lawrence in Examiner.com.

EL: How important is being in good shape?

Dr. PA: The best bodies get the best money. It’s based on statistics. Rich women are thin unless they’re from another culture where men have freedom to have many women.

Read the quote in context here.

In other words the dating goal for women is men with money, the dating goal for men is women with (locally) prized bodies.

Digging deeper into the Examiner interview I also find

EL: Do men really care what you’re wearing?

Dr. PA: If he just wants sex he doesn’t care what you’re wearing. If you have a vagina that’s all he cares about. But if he’s looking for someone to relate to then he cares. Think like you’re going to an interview.

Read the interview here.

This is actually half true. In my experience men who want sex won’t much care what you’re wearing, true. But in my experience men who want someone to relate to won’t much care much what you’re wearing either. It’s not that we won’t notice what you’re wearing, it’s that it would probably be a mistake to waste a lot of time picking exactly the right thing on our behalf.

There’s more though

EL: What are some tricks of the trade?

Dr. PA: Ask for help. Or make comments. But don’t personalize it. Don’t move on him and don’t interview him. Men like to help. Hide your Thomas Guide.

And WTF with the “going to an interview” thing? It’s all sort of the women’s equivalent of PUA advice for men. Yes, if your purpose is to “get” someone then, for men and women, it might be helpful to behave as if you were interviewing for a job. But being a boyfriend/girlfriend… being a partner isn’t a position like coffee-urn attendant or tonsorial artist.

Except, evidently, in Pat Allen’s universe.

And towards the end the gloves come off — she really is just dispensing PUA-for-women

EL: Is there a Secret Weapon that will secure a first date?

Dr. PA: Look for five seconds and then smile. Unless you have something to say that’s innocuous. Be approachable. Smile. Desensitize him so he knows I’m friendly but that you’re not going to pursue him. Keep on being friendly. Then it’s easier for him to approach you.

Seems to me what we need is a book called something like “How to Land a Pickup-Artist and Live the Lie You’ll Both Love.” It would have advice about how to recognize PUA techniques and respond positively to them! Because, seriously, it might be easier to help people who want to live that way hook up with each other than to convince them it’s neither necessary nor particularly fulfilling to do so.

!@$~!#%

Yikes! Cosmopolitan Magazine and a... Conceivable Case for the "Sex Strike!"

Holly of The Pervocracy says

There’s a weird paradox in every issue of Cosmo: they constantly say that men have huge sex drives and aren’t picky, then lay out thousands of things things you must do exactly right in order to get and please a man. Apparently dudes will fuck anything that moves… unless it’s wearing last season’s eyeshadow, gawd.

She dismantles another issue of Cosmo here.

Observation #1: For some reason this way of putting it got the idea through my thick skull that many women really mean it when they say they think most men are picky about the minutest details of their appearance. (It’s not that men, being people, aren’t picky about stuff. Even superficial stuff. It’s that we’re generally not picky about what Cosmo insists we are, nor do the strategies they offer help with what we really are picky about.)

Observation #2: The fallacy in #1, above, is enough to justify Twisty’s “sex strike” mania, not because it would work but because it’s an antidote to the idea that if you don’t break your jaw trying to please a guy he’ll ditch you.

Observation #3: The idea of a sex strike being, of course, incompatible with the vision of men shared by no-sex-class-fetishizing antifeminists their equally paradigm-loving “rad-fem” feminists colleagues: as willing and able to have sex with anything (else) that moves including goats. Which incidentally would also be why I think men are more suited to the “sex class” designation.

Anyway, I’m not sure answering dumb idea with dumb idea makes it a good idea. But… seriously. Wow.

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Sort of like men get the idea if they’re not “Seven Or Better,” or if they can’t get past the rope line of whatever club all the PUA shows are taped in they’re never going to get laid at all.

The calculated insecurity driving the beauty and worthiness traps are great if you want to sell soap, or mascara, or motorcycle jackets. But they’re steaming mounds of crap if you want to re-diffuse sexual joy and excitement over the spectrum of human existence.

You're Daddy's Rich / And Your Momma's Good Lookin' / So STFU? No, That Would Be WTF.

Em & Lo of Sex. Love. And Everything in Between reprint a cool confession from an anonymous contributor that has a lot of bearing on standards of beauty and worthiness for both men and women.

I’m not attracted to attractive guys. Those Burberry-wearing, BMW-driving, weight-lifting, business-studying, fraternity hunks just don’t do it for me. At the end of the night, I know I’m booty-calling my chunky, red-haired, 800-dollar-car-driving, engineer boy — the guy that I’m actually attracted to.

Sure, we all know that beauty is only skin-deep and that the slightly doughy nerd makes a much better husband. But I’ve found that the conventionally unattractive guys make better booty calls, too. I’ve slept with my share of hotties, the head turners, and let me just say that they’re lucky they’re pretty.

She said it here.

It’s not a perfect post. She stumbles over a lot of the same words and phrases that inform all of our attitudes. The title’s not so hot: “Confession: Ugly guys make better booty calls.” And her closing line, “the best thing about the unattractive booty call? He always picks up” smacks to much of the old bluegrass chorus “She’ll never ever leave you / But if she does you won’t mind.” But if she’s not immune to the weight of cultural assumptions neither has she succumbed.

Textual speed bumps not withstanding she’s not saying she’s “settling“ for some schlub because body-building frat boys are overweening prigs. She says her partner the guy she’s actually attracted to.

It’s kind of good that I ran across this post actually. I was driving home from dropping of my children at school and that old Porgy and Bess tune Summertime popped into my head. The one that goes “your daddy’s rich, and your momma’s good lookin / so hush pretty baby, don’t you cry.” I knew there was something wrong with that and I wasn’t sure what. This post gave me the hook to work it out.

It’s like… it’s nice to have a rich daddy, or partner, or whatever. Or a good-lookin’ mom, or partner, or whatever. But the real freight in that song is carried by the word “so.” As in you shouldn’t cry because you’ve got a rich partner, or a beautiful one… like that defines happiness so STFU. It just seems to me Em & Lo’s anonymous correspondent sees the hole in that logic, and the corollary that if you can’t get rich and/or good looking you have to “settle” for something “less.”

Update: See also The Beautiful Kind’s post on along these lines.

The Worthiness Trap: She "Deserves" Better

Cheri of Secret Lovers Lane runs, hard, into the eternal declaration of the male worthiness trap

I am happy for you. You were always a great person. My family even used to say I didn’t deserve you. You know they kicked me out after we broke up? Anyway, I am glad you are happy, you deserved better than me so I am glad you found it.

And then a wave of satisfaction came over me. And then a jab. I am so tired of men telling me that I deserve better than them. In this case, yes, I did deserve better than him. But why does those damn words constantly appear throughout my life? What is with men? Is that the going excuse they all use?

She said it here.

Yeah, it’s kind of amazing when you think about it. And men do it all the time. (I’ve certainly done it.)

I’m… pretty sure I’ve never heard a woman say it to someone else. Except maybe, maybe when it was really, incontestably true. But even then it wasn’t in the same wistful, insecure, almost… fishing for complements sort of way that men do it. (Actually it would be be more fishing for complements except when men say it we tend to expect you to agree.)

And yeah, in the case of Cheri’s ex it really was true. But I’m guessing that’s not why he said it either.

The other thing you don’t hear women say very often is that such and such a man is “out of my league” the way you often hear men say it of women they think are “too attractive” to go out with them.

But then I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman say of an admirer “I’m too good for him” or “Oh I’d never go out with him. I’m out of his league!”

Men think that way. It’s part of our worthiness trap, about the fallacy of the Two Rules of Desire, about “no-sex” class ideology that we have to deserve a partner… be “good enough” to “get” her… that we have to “prove ourselves” if we’re ever going to earn her!

How is it possible for a man who believes that to have an authentic relationship with his partner? Or (usually serially) partners?

How do you think that affects a man when he loses his job? When his partner earns more than he? When he can’t stand forth in all the stupid tin-suit trappings of worthiness and feel like he’s a (bread)winner?

Something to think about next time one of us gets the urge to blame feminists for running men down, eh? Because is it feminists who are saying we’re not worthy? That our partners “don’t deserve us?” No. That would be us.

The Double-Standard of One-way Worthiness

Cheri of Secret Lovers Lane, in the same post I mentioned yesterday, talks about a much less-frequently discussed double standard

I think men are still chauvenists in some ways. They want the woman to be sexually open…the world is okay with them floating around..but a woman…you need to stay with one lover or otherwise you are a whore. I’ve seen this happen with a couple of friends and women on Ashley Madison. Men want you to enjoy sex as long as you are exclusive with them EVEN if there is no commitment or it is never discussed. Sounds double standard to me.

Women have needs. It’s as if men sometimes forget that. It’s not like years ago when our sexuality was surpressed as women. You want us to be sexual, you want us to be sensual..you want us to enjoy sex….and many of us really do…, with the right person or multiple affairs. Men do it all the time….its called dating so why are women judged harsher? Why do men think that a massage and a happy ending or a lapdance is ok or even strip clubs? Can you see a woman saying, I am going out with the girls after work for some guys to finger us until we cum?

She said it here.

I suppose it’s a perfectly natural mistake under Rule of Desire #1 that even if we as men wish women were “more” sexual it doesn’t follow that you have to go out and be sexual with someone else! For heaven’s sakes!

Which would make her being “more” sexual with him the, um, exception that proves the rule?

Rule #2 doesn’t exactly make matters better: if we can’t believe women can sexually desire us then it becomes not just inconceivable but intolerable that you might want to have sex with other men, let alone if you actually did! Because (we’re peculiarly, self-deprecatingly dead sure) if you enjoy sex with someone else why on earth would you want to have sex with us again?

The odd thing, as Cheri points out, is we consider it completely unremarkable that we think we’re able to do so while being shocked and/or appalled that you might to so as easily… without thinking any less of us afterwards. Would that be the no-sex class paradigm talking again? Um, yeah.

Patriarchy Hurts Everybody... Disproportionately

What Ezra Klein said

When your whole romantic identity — when your gender identity, “the manhood thing” — is based on your ability to buy expensive dinners for the girlfriend you never see, something has gone terribly wrong. And it’s gone terribly wrong for you.

Read the quote in context here.

The topic was some erstwhile investment banker in the D.C. area who’s no longer high-rolling and therefore evidently no longer feels worthy and therefore no longer feels attractive.

He’s been seeing someone in New York City and where he once routinely flew up to visit her he now takes the legendary $5 Chinese bus up to visit her when he can afford it.

Klein says “the article is less funny than sad, and it gets to that line that those horrible, man-hating feminists always use: The patriarchy sucks for guys, too.”

And it’s written all over the guy himself — according to the WaPo article Klein quotes

“It’s definitely putting stress on our relationship,” he said recently, sitting in an Old Town cafe. “It comes back to this whole manhood thing. Like, can you be the provider, not just for yourself but for others?”

Source

You see that effect in a lot of guys: not just thinking that being “worthy” is the key to “getting” women but actually taking themselves out of consideration when they don’t see themselves as worthy enough to “deserve” a partner. Putting yourself in because you think money makes you attractive, and taking yourself out because you think not having it makes you unattractive, is kind of leaving, you know, actual women’s opinions about whether or not they think you’re attractive out of the equation. Which is pretty self-destructive but also awfully, well, patriarchal.

I don’t think there’s a patriarchy in the “Elders of Zion / Trilateral Commission” conspiracy sense where there are a bunch of guys all running a giant scam and if we could just get to them (and their minions, of course, all conspiracies have minions, right?) the whole thing would go away.

But I do think there’s large, interlinked set of behaviors and, especially, interpretations that amount to the same thing… only because there’s no central office it’s harder to subvert.

Klein’s subject certainly sounds caught up in all that. And yeah, to that extent patriarchy really is hurting him. It’s self-inflicted hurt but still hurt.

On the other hand consider his girlfriend who, since she’s still seeing him even though he rides the bus, must have, you know, loved him or something even though he thought he’d just bought her with all that money. And now that he doesn’t have money? They’re still together right? Sort of. Maybe. But because he feels all unmanned there’s all this stress on their relationship.

She’s doubly screwed in the sense that here this guy was pulling down what sounds like major bucks (or at least major for one’s mid-20s) and since he squandered it on show, now that flush times are over he not only won’t see her as often as perhaps either of them would like to see each other, he can’t.

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Semi-related aside: There’s a larger point to this, by the way, that I might need to wrestle with a bit. I’m… pretty sure most women don’t see men mostly as “walking wallets” but that’s how a lot of men are indoctrinated to think women see them. I’m similarly sure most men don’t see women mainly as “life support for pussies” but that’s how women are indoctrinated to think men see them. Not sure I have anything else to say about that right now but I think a lot of the resulting assumptions interfere with both inter-gender communication and personal decision making.

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