worthiness trap

Wise Guys Reply: About Introducing Sex Toys to an Insecure Male Partner

Wed, 2012-01-25 00:08

Last week I posted a comment I added to Em & Lo's regular "Wise Guys" feature. This week I'm in the rotation as Em & Lo's "straight married" Wise Guy, answering the question...

“What would you tell a guy who was intimidated by the idea of his partner bringing sex toys into the bedroom?”

Source: Em & Lo

Here's how I answered (slightly reformatted since, hey, now it gets to be a second draft):

The dead cliché answer would be to remind him that they’re only called “toys” and “novelties” to get around puritanical blue laws.In reality, you could tell him, sex “toys” are tools for sex. Guys like tools.

But here’s a more original approach: Tell him, if someone brings a Monopoly board into the den it would be a pretty good sign she’d like to play [Monopoly] with you, right? So if your partner brings a sex toy into the bedroom that’s an even better sign she wants to play with you.

Yeah, we men are under a lot of social pressure to feel inadequate or even jealous about... well... all kinds of things. But, seriously, once you give up on the idea that sex is a test it can be a heck of a lot of fun. Whatever you want to call them, sex toys are pretty much always going to make sex even more fun. For both of you.

Tragedy #204 From Things Could Be Worse: Questioning the Brains vs. Beauty Stereotype

Sat, 2012-01-21 10:52

 

 

Image by Benjaming Dewey TCBW. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image by Benjamin Dewey of Things Could Be Worse. Order a print here.

Benjamin Dewey says draws

Do You know a ravishing scientist who deserves more attention for her mathematical derivations than for her aesthetic wonders? Show her you understand how vexing the veil of comeliness can be when it masks an equally exquisite brain for which no one shows a primary concern! This illustration is available as a keepsake from my emporium.

Tagged: For Lisa Randall. Steph Levi. Saskia de Vries and Hedy Lamarr Beauty Great Thinker Lady Scientist Cupid Brilliant often overshadows work Deriving Maxwell's Equations for the Potentials chalk top hat love

Source: Things Could Be Worse

It's kind of a big deal. There was a sort of lowlife blogger years ago who'd preface many of the images he'd repost with comments like "With a body like that she should never have to work a day."

Leaving aside the insane idea that supporting one's self with sex or "beauty" isn't work, where does anyone get the idea that it would be fun to have a brain and never fucking use it?

In my socially checkered past I've managed to live in a number of situations where one occasionally encounters "kept" women: higher-end rock music culture, cocaine-dealer culture (closely related to the preceding), middle-upper-class and upper-upper-class neighborhoods (where I was a paperboy), and country-club culture (related to the preceding.) And near as I can tell, a almost-synonymous word for people (mostly women) who not only aren't expected not to work but are outright expected not to work is "alcoholic."

Human beings don't make very good pets.

Years and years ago a friend my age, a nursing student who had grown up in country-club culture, said she had to get out because what other girls from her neighborhood were going through was either making them insane or driving them to drink. She said, yeah, it might sound like fun to "do nothing but lie on your back eating bonbons and drinking Cutty Sark," while your husband worked, the gardner and maid took care of the house and the nanny took care of the kids, but, "Frankly I'd be happier changing bedpans for a living." (I lost touch with her decades ago, before she finished nursing school, but she was on track to become a Nurse Practitioner rather than a bedpan changer.)

I dunno. I've been catching up on my reading this morning and running into a lot of commentary by women scientists, women skeptics, women in medicine, and even little girls trying to go to school. The theme is just...

You know what, it's just dumb! Not to mention just an unbelievable assault on human potential. Not to mention an even bigger insult to half of all of humanity! But mostly just really fucking dumb. Richard Fineman was attractive enough but no one ever suggested he couldn't be attractive and also win a Nobel Prize in physics. Anderson Cooper is attractive enough but no one ever suggest he's "too pretty to do real reporting." And even though the first President George Bush selected the sorry-assed J. Danforth Quayle for his good looks ("women will be throwing their underwear at him at campaign stops"), and even though he was never smarter than a bag full of golf balls, there was still never any question that he was also going to work. Heck, even Mitt (Mittens) Romney, who was born with both a silver foot in his mouth and a full head of hair continues to work even after making further piles of money putting other people out of work. And while a lot of people believe he shouldn't do the job he's looking for, nobody deplores his basic interest or desire in working, period. So where's the fucking contradiction in women being attractive and working? Brilliantly or otherwise?

On Differences Between Appreciation of Beauty and Gendered Expectations of Appreciation of Beauty

Mon, 2011-11-21 01:15

KinkInExile has this to say about beauty. It's not clear that she's talking about gendered beauty but it's clear she's talking about her beauty.

For all the time and money I spend on beauty, fashion and the like, this morning caught me by surprise.  This morning, for reasons that are far too convoluted to go into right now, I ended up breaking down tents, dragging around easy ups, packing trucks, loading and unloading food, and generally scrambling to pull things out of the Occupy Oakland encampment ahead of an advancing police line in the mud while also smiling at and trying to be friendly and engaging toward the police.  After what felt like a sprint of activity both in its intensity and its briefness, as I disrobed next to the washing machine in my apartment and stood in a hallway, sweaty, sore, and naked except for the bandana I had used to tie my unwashed hair out of my face, I realized I hadn’t felt that beautiful in ages.

Source: Kink In Exile

I raise that mostly to contrast with an anonymous correspondent to Em & Lo implicitly offered a substantially gendered view of beauty in general and hers in particular.

Why do guys cheat down? Meaning, picking a woman less attractive. My husband cheated on me with a woman twice my size. He said he found her unattractive but couldn’t help himself. Another friend of mine (she is a model) had her husband cheat on her. It was while he was out of town and all the women were less attractive. Of course these are just two examples. I was always under the impression that if you are going to cheat, at least make it worth it.

She said it here.

So the first question should always be who's idea of beauty are we talking about? Society's? The correspondents? Her partners? My guess is that there's a difference in her experience of society's philosophy of men's relationship beauty and her partner's actual experience of it. (Which is in collision with his experience of society's expectation of him.)

Second question: What makes so many people think that conventional/consensus beauty is the only reliable metric for male attraction? Especially when it so often isn't a very good metric?

Third question: What makes her think beauty for men is an apex rather than a threshold, such that no matter how beautiful one woman is men will inevitably prefer someone even more beautiful?

Fourth question: When woman A is less beautiful but still preferred to woman B, why is the assumption that woman A must "give better head?")

Fifth question: Where do so many people get the idea that beauty is like some kind of points system such that if you’ve got more you automatically win? Or else that it’s an entitlement such that if you’ve got more you should automatically win?

Next question: Would the correspondent feel somehow better if he instead cheated “up?” (If so… if one really would feel better… then stop right there and think about that! Because really?)

Final question: I’m… pretty sure the correspondent would feel insulted if someone suggested that she, like "all women," was attracted to men based only on the gendered masculine quality of income or worth. So why think that men, including her partner, are attracted only on the gendered feminine quality of “beauty?”

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As long as we're on the subject of gendered notions of attraction, try running the numbers again for men, substituting worthiness for beauty. For question four, replace "must give good head" with "must have a big dick."

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A lot of years ago a now-dark blogger named Sam Sugar, trying to make a claim about men's nature, said something like "given two women with similarly attractive personalities men will choose the more beautiful one every time." It's actually even true... but not particularly telling. First because what at least ought to be an obvious corollary: "given two women with similar beauty, men will choose the one with the more attractive personality. Second the same true but empty observation could be made about women's attraction to men.

I think the fallacy, which Sam Sugar was perpetuating and which I think a lot of people fall for, is the idea that men simply aren't aware of any qualities other than beauty in women such that they express deep surprise when men actually do enjoy and often prefer other qualities more.

Similarly, of course, it seems to perpetually surprise people when women fail to ignore beauty in men.

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If you look at beauty in KinkInExile's terms I think it's a lot harder to have disconnects between social expectations and our actual experiences.

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Disclaimer: I know I sound like I'm all about heteronormativity all the time. Instead just think there's a lot more unconscious assumptions to question about heteronormativity, and that it takes a lot more effort to become conscious of them.

You Can't Understand "Hypergamy," "Settling," and the Male Worthiness Trap WIthout First Understanding "Coverture"

Thu, 2011-07-14 06:33

The thousands of years old principle defined most concretely by the English Common Law concept of coverture, which the legendary jurist William Blackstone defined thusly:

"By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least is incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing; and is therefore called in our law-French a feme-covert; is said to be covert-baron, or under the protection and influence of her husband, her baron, or lord; and her condition during her marriage is called her coverture. Upon this principle, of a union of person in husband and wife, depend almost all the legal rights, duties, and disabilities, that either of them acquire by the marriage. I speak not at present of the rights of property, but of such as are merely personal. For this reason, a man cannot grant any thing to his wife, or enter into covenant with her: for the grant would be to suppose her separate existence; and to covenant with her, would be only to covenant with himself: and therefore it is also generally true, that all compacts made between husband and wife, when single, are voided by the intermarriage."

Source: Wikipedia and myriad others.

Yikes! The rest of this post is a rumination of the consequences of that.

Fun story: Almost 25 years ago now one friend in a long-term committed relationship broke up with her absolutely marvelous-in-almost-all-ways partner.

Why says we, he's almost perfect? True says she, but I just have a feeling this isn't it. But he's devilishly handsome says we. True, says she. He has that sailboat and that vintage Triumph motorcycle says we. True again, says she, but he's still not it. But he's smart, funny, extraordinarily considerate! He's finishing his engineering degree and firms are falling all over themselves to hire him. You've been together for years and still seem incredibly compatible. And he's still crazy about you! I know, I know, and I love him too but none the less, said she, I just don't feel like this is "it."

And so on she moved. And the only reason he wasn't immediately in one, or two, or a dozen new relationships with any of the 31,000 presentable but unpartnered women in Seattle is that he was completely devastated and preferred to quietly mourn rather than move on.

Though move on of course he eventually did. And met a marvelous woman for whom he was "it," and the two have been fast, faithful friends, lovers, partners, and parents together ever since.

Meanwhile our friend who left him actively rattled around the date-o-sphere, plunged into her advanced degree program, ran through a succession of not all that fulfilling relationships (including one rising star who turned out to be a closet domestic abuser) and maybe five years later met a marvelous man who was "it" for her and the two have been fast, faithful friends, lovers, partners, and parents together ever since.

From the outside, anyway, I really couldn't tell you why one wasn't "it" but the other was. Why she would have felt she was "settling" for one but not the other.

I mention this for a couple of reasons. First, because of my friend's seemingly daft feeling that her partner wasn't "it" because she thought there should be "something more." Second, because of my other friend's equally daft feeling that having lost true love he could never love, or be loved, again.

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Two of the most dangerous stereotypes in relationships are

  • true love waits and I shall never love again. They both really distract from and otherwise interfere with our actual relationships.
  • "Is this it?" Where "it" is something like that one truest, most fulfilling, most completing love thing. Asking yourself "is this it" also disrupts actual relationships.

"I shall never love again" is extraordinarily common for both men and women -- so common, in fact, that both the radio stations and book stores would seem like empty stadiums if all the songs and stories about true love lost were to disappear.

Then again, while both men and women experience "this isn't it" moments there's been a traditional gender imbalance to it that still needs to be uncovered and explored. So I'm going to explore it here.

Back when a) women were expected to be utterly financially and socially dependent on men and b) the only way out of a marriage was "till death do you part" women were basically in a position where accepting an offer of marriage was by far the biggest gamble anyone, male or female, commonly made in their life. Because if your husband developed consumption, or turned out not to be able to make a living, or drank, or beat you, the die was cast and that became your lot in life.

Under English Common Law, which formed the foundation of both English and American... um... common law, from a legal perspective a woman literally disappeared! The legal doctrine was called Coverture, and under coverture women could literally not own property, she obviously couldn't vote, she couldn't enter into contracts, she couldn't seek education (without her husband's permission), any and all money she earned, won, or inherited became legally and irrevocably her husbands, any children she gave birth to became his sole legal property, and so on.

In the late 19th Century the pressure became such that a lot of women (many of them early or proto-feminists) declined to risk marriage at all!

Because back then, if for any reason "this" turned out not to be "it" for women that was it!

That anxiety over such an uncertain but irrevocable decision, I think, is the source of the "hypergamy" meme that so haunts MRAs and Evolutionary Psychologists. And so baffles and occasionally outrages the rest of us.

I'm also going to propose that this might be the origin of the idea of women as judges, gatekeepers, and the whole male anxiety about "worthiness." Because if your odds of marriage depend entirely on someone else's assessment not so much of gold-diggery success but simply not having enough income or stability to safely support a wife and children, that's going to stress the shit out of you as well. And really generate huge loads of resentment as well as anxiety. Even as you possibly benefit from having to compete with only half the potential workforce for any given job.

Anyway, you can see how the whole "this is it" and "true love waits" business, plus "I shall never be loved," plus all those songs about murdering one's true love ("Banks of the Ohio") and suicide ("Irene Good Night") aren't just dangerous bullshit but dangerously gendered bullshit.

But also, if I'm right (I think I am) and if we can just wrap our heads around it, about it's somewhere between 99% and 100% obsolete bullshit. Because these days we don't have to make those kinds of perilous decisions, or risk just perilous judgments. Because half the population no longer needs to rely 100% on the other half for social and financial well-being.

And so questions of lifelong worthiness, like (I'm guessing) similar questions about lifelong beauty no longer have to distract and interfere with a) the formation of, b) the end of, and most important, c) current appreciation of our relationships.

Anyway, my intuition says that you pretty much can't understand "hypergamy" without first understanding coverture. And this is why I think it's foolish to claim to understand biological "truths" about relationships without first understanding sociology, history, and law.

Hmm... I've still gotta think more about this.

Hey, What's So Bad About Earnest Borgnine Anyway? On Double Standards of Attractiveness

Tue, 2011-04-26 14:59

Holly Pervocracy carves deeply into another asinine foray into female beauty and its consequences (this time from Psychology Today) so we won't have to.

Yet, if you're a woman who wants to land a man, there's this notion that you should be able to go around looking like Ernest Borgnine: If you're "beautiful on the inside," that's all that should count.

Fun fact: Ernest Borgnine is married. It's almost like he has something interesting or appealing about him besides his decorative value! Oh, but wait, he has a penis, so all the rules are completely different for whatever reason.

Also, if you look like Ernest Borgnine--if you literally look like him, rather than just looking like an average woman who's a bit slovenly and a bit overweight, which I'm sure is what the writer means here and is expressing in the most schoolyard-bully terms possible--ain't no beauty regimen in the world gonna change that, so you're not "going around" that way, you're stuck with it, and for the writer to rub it in that you can't possibly deserve love is just a pointlessly assholish move.

Source: The Pervocracy

Nicely said. Also, funny how Rule #2 pressures women to prefer personality over appearance but it's merely "harsh" for men to scorn any woman less conventionally beautiful than Megan Fox, no matter how personable.

Ozymandias on the Benefits of Partners Who Are Gamers

Wed, 2011-04-20 20:10

With perfectly lucid caveats in hand, Ozymandias makes the case for yet another particular variety of male-nerd sex and/or relationship partner for men and (she speculates) for other men.

It continually puzzles and distresses me that gamers are not one of the most fetishized and desired of hobbyists, in between guitarists and football players. If sense ran the world, a guy with a six-year-long Mage: The Ascension campaign would have groupies and have to hire a service to clean all the pussy juice off his lawn. Since, unfortunately, this is not the case, I must provide some promotion of All The Reasons A Woman Ought To Date Gamers. This is not meant to erase the existence of gamer women, nor of non-heterosexual gamers; however, Female-Bodied Person Dating Male Gamers is what I have experience with.

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On the most base and practical of considerations, gamers are great in bed. They have amazing hand strength, dexterity, speed and skill, and something petty like "six orgasms in a row" won't faze a guy used to fifteen-hour marathon video gaming sessions. Want someone to find your G-spot, or rub your clit just the way you like? Choose a gamer. I imagine that gamers would be equally good at handjobs, for those penis-bearers among us.

Also: backrubs. Just saying.

Source: Ozymandiass Crushing and Venting Engine of Doom

Lest it sound like she's just pitching another fast lane into the male worthiness trap, one where manual dexterity stands in for a bigger car or something, she's actually pretty clear that it's also about compatibility and conviviality.

Gamer guys also have the best hobbies. Would you rather sit bored through yet another game of NFL football, or play Diplomacy for twelve hours, double-crossing each other and taking over the world together? How about getting drunk at a a bar, or getting drunk roleplaying with Apples to Apples cards? My point exactly. If you're not a gamer, don't worry. Most gamers are happy to introduce you to their hobbies and obsessions: everything from the collected works of Mr. Terry Pratchett to Japanese monster movies.

Which is actually a pretty critical point. If you actually happen to like nice cars or encouraging each other to strive for the next sale, bonus, or promotion then it really is ok to like partners who also like nice cars and make lots of money. But that's not the same thing, at all, as "women only go for guys with nice cars who make lots of money" that men too often indoctrinate themselves and each other into believing.

Thanks To Feminism Women Can Afford to Hook Up With Starving Writers and Other Nominal "Losers"

Wed, 2011-04-13 11:34

Photo by Flickr user waltarrrrr. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Photo by Flickr user waltarrrrr. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Using her powers of feminism (and personal preference) Ozymandias dismantles yet another PUA restatement of the worthiness trap (a subsidiary of Rule #2.)

No girl wants to cuddle with an unaccomplished writer hack who lives in his dad’s basement.

I do! I do! Pick me!

Well, I mean, if he's nice, and attractive, and likes Star Wars. and enjoys going down on me, and can talk intelligently about some topic other than sports, because I am biased against sports. Which gets back to the main point: thanks to feminism (remember, Roosh? That thing where women can vote you were complaining* about before?), women get to pick their dates because of compatibility, and not because of their pocketbooks, because women have money too. You're not "pulling one over" on women when you fuck them while not  being rich. You're reaping the benefits of feminism, which made it so women don't care about how much money you have. Love used to be a trade of sex for money a little less crass than prostitution. Now it's the connection of minds and bodies, both primal and celestial, combining the highest and most animal instincts in the human soul, and it's some cool fucking shit.

Source: Ozymandias's Crushing and Venting Engine of Doom

Rule #2, you'll recall, says that it's not really conceivable for men to be just intrinsically sexually desirable and so if we want sex we've instead got to instead earn by doing or having things that are deemed admirable or worthy in some other dimensions such as a good income, a nice car, a heroic job like fire figher or rock star, political power, or some other form of "status" that women will trade sex to gain access to.

And so by that logic a starving writer (or, worse, gamer!) should never, ever get laid.

Except, as Ozy and others regularly point out, unless they're a complete dicks men like that actually get laid approximately as often as anyone else. Because, in fact, those Cee-Lo lyrics, "I guess the change in my pocket, wasn't enough. ... If I was rich'a I'd still be with ya. ... Yeah I'm sorry I can't afford a Ferrarri" are almost always wrong. Handy if, but mainly only if, you don't want to confront the likely real reasons a partner left you or wouldn't go out with you in the first place.

Actually... hmm... I have to admit I'm not enough up on the nuances of PUA culture but for all their talk about nice guys, alphas, and jerks I can't remember how PUA strategies are designed to cope with the fairly routine question "what does she see in that loser?" Where the loser in question clearly isn't an "alpha," isn't a jerk, and isn't really identifiable as "worthy" in any other way. But does seem to break all the rules about women not liking unremarkable but "nice" fellows. I'm not saying PUA culture doesn't deal with the question, I'm just saying it doesn't seem to percolate to the top of the usual lists.

* Earlier this PUA guy "Roosh" had said "Charm died in Western women on August 18, 1920" To with Ozy replied "When they got the vote! That Roosh, such a charmer."

On Beauty, and What We Grow Up Believing Should be Beauty

Sun, 2011-03-06 15:19

Emily Nagoski says it's not her story to tell, but responding to something that sounds pretty serious she says

No one asked your permission to put toxic thoughts about your body in your head. No one waited until you could give informed consent and then said, “I’d like to tell you what’s wrong with your body; would that be okay with you?” No one said, “Would it be all right if I say how broken and ugly and inadequate you are?” No one stopped to find out if it was okay before they told you all the made-up, fictional reasons you should feel bad about yourself. They just knew they could make a profit if you hated yourself.

No one asked your permission to put those thoughts and beliefs in your head, but there they are. And each of us has the job of finding the beliefs we’re not interested in carrying with us anymore, uprooting them, and finding something new and healthier to take their place. This process is neither easy nor painless. But it is a path to the confidence and joy I advocate everyone bring to bed with them every night.

Source: Sex Nerd

In context the thing she's talking about might have befallen a woman, and so that's the language she uses

Negative body image is among the most common causes of sexual dysfunction. But more than that, it’s manufactured misery that generates profits for corporations at the expense of women’s power in the world. It cripples us and keeps us in chains.

But myths and toxic thoughts are whispered, shouted, and most-insidiously shepherded into our heads.

Dumb question: without the traps of the beauty myth for women or the worthiness trap for men would there wouldn't be anything left to construct gender with?  Because it seems to me that that's what roughly 99% of it boils down to.

See also Holly's Face beyond beauty and Ozymandia's I am a bad person. Those all showed up pretty much next to each other in my news reader with Emily's post and in different ways they all address the disconnect between things like truth and beauty vs. what we come to believe is should be be things like truth and beauty.

In comments to Emily's post I said "It’s totally ok since it sounds as though the unmentioned context includes a woman’s experience. But if I were to expand it I’d add two more things. One, that men get the same whisperings about their inadequacies in the dimension of worthiness and accomplishment. Two, that sometimes the one doing the whispering is us as when we decide, on our own, that thing in dimension X didn’t work because we must not have correctly performed or avoided something in dimension Y."

In comments to Holly's post I said "I don't have the mental horsepower to put them all three of [their] posts together into one of my own. And it says right there on my superego that I should be able to do it."

Thaddeus Blanchette on the Trap Men Set When They Insist Women Care Only About Men's Status

Thu, 2011-01-20 13:01

In comments to my post tackling myths about men, feminism, and heterosexuality, Thaddeus Blanchette, an anthropologist who among other things studies sex-tourism in Brazil, raised a very good "live by the sword, die by the sword" point about the anti-feminist conviction that men need to be "high status" because, at least to men, heterosexual sex is necessarily transactional sex.

The only women who are only worried about the "status" of their men are those who plan live off of them. Given that my informants think that this is normal and to be expected, is it any wonder at all that they are constantly rediscovering that "all women are whores"? Well no shit: if you only date women who are impressed by the size of your wallet and you think that those are the only "real" women, then what the hell kind of woman are you dating?

Source: He said it here.

Are there really men like that? And women too?  Yeah, I'm afraid so.  But while they might each occupy the other with their own manner of predatory gender. And if you believe in gender construction you could say they were almost literally made for each other. But the thing is, after adulthood anyway, and as long as you're of sound mind and body, nobody deserves that -- to either "keep" or be "kept" by another person.

Not when you could be partners, together.

The old status quo might have made sense when there really was no hope of women legally or economically living in anything but extreme poverty without beholdening herself to a man. And consequently there was no real expectation from men that women could or would do more than "hold down the fort."

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