Boy oh boy, have you heard about the latest scandal to hit Congressional Republicans? There have been rumors that West Palm Beach, FL, Representative Mark Foley had been engaging in explicit and thoroughly inappropriate contact with a young man. Actually it’s been more than rumors — outright reports go back at least a year although his Republican allies have been keeping it to themselves.
It’s pretty disgusting, actually. I mean, check one IM transcript (out of what may be 35 pages!
Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
Teen: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.Another message:
Maf54: What ya wearing?
Teen: tshirt and shorts
Maf54: Love to slip them off of you....
Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
Teen: A little.
Maf54: Cool.
I know we’re all supposed to be groovy and tolerant. Diff’rent strokes, right? And really, is it any of our business whether even a Republican chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus is gay?
Hmm. Actually it doesn’t make a fucking bit of difference that he’s gay! Being a gay conservative Republican might make him a hypocrite but he’d be a hypocrite who’s sexuality was none of mine or anyone else’s business.
What’s disgusting, though, is that the young man, a Congressional page from Louisiana, was only sixteen — both legally and developmentally a child. His particular gender, or Rep. Foley’s gender orientation is utterly irrelevant.
I’ve made it more than abundantly clear that I think it’s a very, very bad idea for adults to have sex with children. Yes, I have vague memories of a an experience of my own but at the time I perceived it more as bullying (the really scary part was her wanting to hit me with a ruler) so I didn’t come to my conclusion because of that.
Instead it’s more about sex in the “gray area” we were discussing earlier in the week — the connived, pressured, or otherwise only grudgingly agreed to sex that can fuck up the victim’s experience of sex forever after.
Whoever the grown up was, what ever his orientation, whatever the orientation of his victim, however willingly or grudgingly his victim participated, he’s only a kid for a few year but he’ll be a grownup for half a century! If Congressman Foley thought he was so fucking hot he could have waited two more years. He would have still been hot and he’d have had roughly another 25% of his post-puberty adolescence to figure out what he wanted to consent to, and how, when he grew up. Like Mary K. Laterneau, or Lisa Zuniga Duran, Foley thought his urges trumped all that. I say the child, every child, deserves that time to grow up so he or she can have a long, happy, healthy, varied sexual life.
I say lock the bastard up, and while you’re at it lock up all the other smug, self-righteous, and evidently thoroughly corrupt bastards in his party who heard about it, covered it up, and otherwise did nothing.
Update: In comments Cheryl of Claiming my iner bitch makes a crucial point that completely slipped past me.
What I have seen of the excerpts doesn’t make Foley “gay.” It makes him a pederast. I hope you realize the majority of pedophiles identify as heterosexual. Gay men, contrary to the opinion of much of the country, are not the largest group poking little kids out there.
The first rumors I’d heard (from non-sex/political sources) was that a south Florida congressman was probably gay. The story about Foley and the page didn’t come out till yesterday and I never adjusted my first impression. And he still might be gay, and I still don’t think it’s particularly relevant, but yeah, Cheryl’s right that the majority of pederasts identify as heterosexual. Final note: while my post poked fun at homophobia and closeted hypocrites I strongly believe people’s orientation is their business and that nobody deserves to be involuntarily outed as long as they’re having sex with consenting adults! Foley crossed that line.




Submitted by 952 (not verified) on Sat, 2006-09-30 05:17.
His party is still to busy focusing on Clinton's sexuality.
[That's true but I also just keep thinking there's no fire in those guy's pants how come they keep blowing so much smoke? Thanks, Five. --fl]
Submitted by 952 (not verified) on Sat, 2006-09-30 08:02.
Contrast the attempt at concealment here to the time when Illinois Republican Jack Ryan was forced to withdraw from the U.S. Senate race because he asked his wife to engage in BDSM activities. She declined, and this difference in sexual preferences was one of the reasons the couple divorced. The court records of the divorce were sealed but were opened to the public during the campaign. The shoddy treatment Jack Ryan received from the Illinois Republican Party was, IMO, far more reprehensible than anything he or his wife would have done in the privacy of their own home or the local BDSM club. This inconsistent treatment of sexuality is what destroys the credibility of the Republican Party, notwithstanding the fact that the Republican National Committee in Texas elected God as its Chairman. (Hasn't She resigned, btw?)
I do agree, Figleaf, that the seduction of a minor is a serious offense because that young man, no matter how mature he or others consider him to be, has probably not developed the sense of self that would allow him to say no to an adult who holds a public office and the power associated with it.
And Five of Nine is right -- they are all focused, no fixated, on Bill Clinton.
[Yup, the Ryan thing was sort of a disappointment because it really wasn't relevant -- for instance he didn't fulminate about other people's bedroom habits. To Foley's discredit he did. And you're right that not only is his case about a minor but it's compounded by the boy's status as his nominal boss. Thanks, Kochanie. --fl]
Submitted by 952 (not verified) on Sat, 2006-09-30 08:03.
What I have seen of the excerpts doesn't make Foley "gay." It makes him a pederast. I hope you realize the majority of pedophiles identify as heterosexual. Gay men, contrary to the opinion of much of the country, are not the largest group poking little kids out there.
I might even be comfortable with some teenagers claiming entitlement to their sexuality and, if older men float their boats, okay. But the tenor of the conversations I saw made it clear to me that Foley was pushing these boys farther than they comfortably wanted to go.
Sick.
I hope he doesn't decide to come out because that will only reinforce the notion that all gay men are NAMBLA members and only interested in underage boys.
[Good point, Cheryl. I heard first that he was gay. I didn't reset that clock when I later heard he'd been putting the moves on a minor. You'll notice I've updated my post. Thanks for the jog. --fl]