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Thu, 2007-03-29 15:28

Anastasia of Sexualité, discussing tropes in industrial porn, says

It dawned on me that in eight out of ten hetero porn scenes (especially amateur flicks, ‘ten dollar online porn’), a woman will usually be depicted bringing herself to orgasm while her vagina is occupied. She’ll be on her back, on top, or on her knees, with her hand between her legs, stroking her clitoris; watching this can sometimes exhaust me, and shine light on more questions, but more recently it has resurrected Terri Garr’s line in Tootsie, that feminist statement:

‘I am responsible for my own orgasm!’

I beg to differ, and if I put it all under my sexual microscope I can relate it to my own sexual hiatus. I also don’t subscribe to the overrated ‘Fuck, like you’re being filmed,’ quote that’s done the rounds. The thing is this: sure, I’m responsible for my own orgasm during my own solo time, but if I’m engaging with another person, it’s their responsibility as it is mine; I don’t shirk my sexual responsibilities, or efforts to press their buttons. So why the fuck am I expected to press my own button? Call it sexual chauvinism, I don’t particularly care, but it’s enough that I’m there, naked, and ready to go. Do I also have to sit in the driving seat and do all the work? If I’m going to sit there masturbating for a partner, then what’s the point? If they want voyeuristic thrills, they can dig out a porn film, whack it in the DVD player and go to town.

Read the quote in context here

The irony, of course, is that in porn anyway almost all sex ends with the men stopping whatever they’re doing and masturbating so that everyone can… see what a good time he was having before he stopped to masturbate? I dunno. I’ve never understood that bit, though I’ve got my little pet theories.

As for whether everyone should be responsible for their own orgasms, I think it’s important to know that the climate back when Tootsie was being filmed was that women’s enjoyment was considered exclusively the man’s responsibility. Not least because back then women were still expected to be embarrassed to admit they had any kind of sexual autonomy at all, let alone that they masturbated, let alone that they were active participants in sex.

Anyway, because of that historical bias I’m way more in favor of women taking charge of their own orgasms during sex. It doesn’t have to involve fingers or toys (though it’s totally fine if they do.) Instead it can be as direct as shifting herself or her partner during intercourse so that the stimulation works for her.

Also, it’s worth noting that turning the tables that way works both ways. There are a couple of positions for intercourse, mainly woman on top and pressing way down, that seem to be very effective for them while making it quite hard for me to get enough stimulation to have an orgasm myself. (The top of my cock right at the base, where most of the pressure happens in those positions, has almost no erotic nerve endings.) Consequently in those positions I also have to take responsibility for my own orgasms or I won’t have them.

Finally, because a minority of women seem to reliably have orgasms during straight intercourse, and because we’ve all got this idea that orgasms from straight intercourse are “normal,” and because believing that makes most women “abnormal.” Not my idea of a good definition. If you add that the notion that “his cock should be enough” is highly, highly male-centric, I’m just really wary about the whole idea.

I thoroughly, thoroughly agree, though, that the Tootsie-era declaration of responsibility runs the risk of letting men completely off the hook for their partner’s orgasms. And that’s the point I think Anastasia is making in her post.

Luckily the Tootsie era was almost 30 25 years ago. Nowadays I like to push for the possibility that when people are having sex they’re both responsible for making sure everybody is getting what they want out of it.

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Thu, 2007-03-29 16:48.

when i was in a sex-less, frustrated marriage, i spent many nights standing in my shower masturbating on tip-toe with the hand held shower massager (thank GOD for WaterPik!) - now that i'm a sex-less, frustrated single woman (go figure!) i prefer laying down...

now then - who's responsible for making sure we both get off? we both are! i would love to perform for a lover, knowing that my actions help him achieve orgasam - but i also expect this same courtesy - whether it's during penetration or leading up to.

(damn - was tootsie really almost 30 years ago? great - now i feel old)

[Nicely put, Phain. (Think of lying down as taking the time to be with yourself.) Also you're right, Tootsie came out in 1982 so that's only 25 years. I'll correct the post. Thanks! --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Thu, 2007-03-29 19:21.

Figs,
I suppose it comes down to expectations. If I felt as though my partner expected me to masturbate as some sort of performance art, it's likely I would resent it, too.

But as you point out, lots of women don't orgasm solely as a result of intercourse, so masturbation is one way that you can 'get there' with or as well as your partner. If my masturbating myself is part of a mutual arousal scenario with my partner, then I don't see what the big deal is.

[I think Anastasia was talking about a porn (and maybe Tootsie?) assumption that the man's just going to do his thing regardless and it's up to the woman to take care of herself. So I think the point is there's a difference between *getting* to and *having* to. "Having to" and sex just don't belong in the same sentences. (At least not for sentences also involving the word "protection," anyway.) Thanks, Janeway. --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Thu, 2007-03-29 21:20.

Excellent post!

Why don't you get more comments??

[I don't know, BJ. I guess I don't worry because any lack in quantity is more than made up by the quality. Thanks! --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-03-30 06:29.

But at the same time you don't want to get into demarcation disputes, or be preocupied by who does what and when. Sometimes there's a little bit more give than take, and other times more take than give. The "responsibility" aspect makes it sound too much like a chore that has to be done. In a good relationship you surely want to give each other pleasure without totting up the bill.

[I'm thinking of responsibility in the old-fashioned sense of "who will take action," not "who will take credit or blame." The old sense permits more give and take while leaving both parties responsible. Thanks, A. --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-03-30 06:33.

I very much agree with your last line in this post! As a 23 year old woman, though, I have to say I see so many men my age and a bit older to know very little nor try very hard when it comes to pleasing thier woman. It's extremely frustrating. It feels as though my orgasm matters not at all, and that I am to "perform" in a way that they enjoy.

My current man does not fit this mold. I'm going to marry him-lol. I can only compare a generation here, so I'll say that it should be noted that I believe, sadly, that my generation is so coddled, self-absorbed, lazy, and narcissistic that it deffinately relates to the bedroom.

I hope that can cgange. I'd hate to see yet another generation grow up of women believe that if they don't achieve orgasm- it's their fault and resposibility.

Excellent post :)

[Take comfort, such as it is, in knowing it's not just your generation. Men are actually extraordinarily capable of rising to meet expectations. I agree that the current climate seems to be setting those expectations rather low, but that, fortunately, needn't be a permanent problem. Also, it's definitely chimp city to tell women it's their fault if they don't have orgasm! First because sometimes it's nobody's fault (not everyone can have one no matter how well they try) and second because usually it's *everyone's* fault because we neither ask nor tell each other what we want, nor do we apply ourselves to unsort whatever random raw materials we and our partners were born with. Thanks, Doodles. --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-03-30 07:44.

Wow Fig, I wasn't sure how people - male/female - would take that post of mine. The Tootsie thing is old, definitely, but the women exerting herself (mainly in adult films) has become a fixture. There have been times where I've stopped sex midway, especially while on top, because a partner's fancied me jumping up and down repeatedly, out of synch with my own rhythm, and it would become a bone of contention too. So it extends beyond masturbation, but in porn, where male actors are just phalluses most of the time (they'll engage in cunnilingus, but it's often choreographed: mouth for two seconds, breasts given a squeeze/lick for five, and cunnilingus preceding penetration) so once they're 'in' that's all they do, and little else, and now that I think about it, the female actresses don't caress the males during penetration, so that too may act as the line of demarcation: what differentiates the sex in porn from reality or the making love factor.

thanks Fig :)

["...because a partner's fancied me jumping up and down repeatedly..." Ever get the impression it's not porn that's the problem, it's that having no frame of reference *but* porn is? It's like trying to learn how to run a business when all you had was reruns from "The Office." I almost never watch porn and so I'm not aware of the latest developments. If a women's masturbation scene has become obligatory then yeah, I can see how it would chaff to have one's partner expect you to do it. And, actually, it's kind of a drain to be expected to perform anything, in the choreographer sense, with a partner during sex. (Hmm. I think it needs to be our job as sex bloggers to promote mutually enjoyable alternatives.) Thanks, Anastasia. --fl]

Submitted by 1278 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-04-04 01:49.

"the female actresses don't caress the males during penetration, so that too may act as the line of demarcation: what differentiates the sex in porn from reality or the making love factor."

Porn "actors" are mostly strangers to eachother or acquaintantances at best - how could they make love? They'd have to pretend. :)

[Yeah, there must be a lot of funny dynamics to sex on a porn set. Thanks, Ell. --fl]

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