Casual communication

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Wed, 2005-12-28 01:07

[I began this post back in September and held off because I’d written three or more things based on posts by Lynn Gazis-Sax. Her writing always makes me think. I’ve recently been reading Easton & Liszt’s The Ethical Slut. It too is making me think. It’s a very good book in terms of understanding one’s romantic and sexual relationships with others whether or not one is monogamous. I’ll probably have more to say about the book but I think I’ll clear the decks a bit by finally posting this one. —fl]

Lynn Gazis-Sax of Noli Irritare Leones has thrown me for another loop, this time with her meditations on casual sex.

As I see it, there are at least four categories of reasons not to have casual sex, and much confusion follows when people confound one set of reasons with another (either by emphasizing a different set of reasons from the ones that are chiefly guiding them, or by making a wrong guess about what reasons are guiding others). Either the definition of “casualâ€? or the definition of “sexâ€? may vary, depending on what set of reasons you are using.

First, there’s the matter of what kind of sex you subjectively actually want to have. Sex, after all, is a form of communication. It’s other things besides, and some of them can be grander. But at the very least, sex with another person is a form of communication, not just a function of physical release (for that you could just check out some of flea’s products). And, if you don’t happen to like the communication that’s going on, you probably don’t like the sex. So, in this case, a distaste for “casual sexâ€? means a distaste for sex that leaves you feeling used, unappreciated, unlistened to, or whatever. Or for a relationship which is unpleasant to be in because the other person doesn’t seem to be taking you seriously as more than an object for his or her release. Casual sex, in this case, is sex you just plain don’t want. And the definition of “casualâ€? may vary depending on just what it is that you do want.
It’s worth reading the rest of Lynn’s post here. Leave her a comment if you find it interesting.

The idea that sex is a form of communication is both a) novel (at least to me) and b) exactly correct, no matter what other grand, mundane, or transgressive things it might be.

It also (as many of Lynn’s posts do) throws me into a bit of inner turmoil. Decades ago, when I was a young, homeless musical minstrel and wandering wastrel I took immense pleasure in hanging out on park benches on the Boston common just talking to total strangers — many of them elderly, some as young and aimless as I, others in the prime of their productive years as parents, politicians, clerks, or entrepreneurs — and those conversations changed both my life and, I’m pretty confident, changed the lives of some of the people I conversed with.

Initially I didn’t seek out those conversations, which often took place when I would take breaks from busking with my decrepit found-in-a-dumpster guitar and my meager found-in-a-Mel-Bay-book musical skills. But as time went on, and the advancing winter made my fingers too stiff to play, I found myself returning to the Commons for that, well, casual comm-union with strangers in the public square. (While I did develop some friendships there I rarely saw, or had a chance to speak with, the same people twice)

So how does this relate to casual sex? As I mentioned a while ago there are at least a hundred relative strangers I’ve met in the blogosphere I’d love to have casual social intercourse with. And were I single, knowing what I know of them and they of me, I’d be equally delighted to also have casual sexual intercourse with many of them (well, certainly with any single individual among them.) Note the “also” in that last sentence, it’s important — as Lynn says, if all one wanted was physical release one could simply masturbate.

If I ever make it to Lynn’s part of the country I’d love to meet her in person for casual conversation (though not for sex, given her well-articulated preferences, not to mention our monogamous relationships.) I would certainly enjoy that kind of face-to-face contact with someone I admire and enjoy sharing comments with. But where does that desire, for that kind of communication — a gratuitous and mutually gratifying (I would hope) meeting to discuss theology and it’s role in modern relationship formation, for instance — fit into a model that includes the communication model of casual sex? Or, put more concretely, how would that compare, for instance, to two other individuals who, with very similar motivation, chose to meet instead to talk and have sex without intending to form a longer lasting proximal relationship?

I’m the first to admit I have always had a more slippery boundary between intellectual, emotional, and physical relationships, and that I have chosen to be monogamous out of respect for my partner and for social convention more than any personal conviction, but the idea of sex as communication resonates with me and my intuition says putting the boundary between physical and non-physical communication not only be arbitrary but misplaced.

This is another one of those libertine prude / prudish libertine dichotomies for me. The idea of non-communicative/obligatory sex that’s never-the-less permissible because you’re married seems as grim to me as the idea of communicative/personal/optional/casual sex outside of marriage seems benign. (This is not to say that’s my experience with married sex, by the way! I don’t think I’m disclosing too much about our relationship when I say my partner and I have communicative, personal, optional sex.)

[p.s. While we’re on the topic of communication, check out Steff’s Case for More Communications. I really appreciated her post as well. —fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 10:37.

That's great! YeeeHaw! But, what'll happen when you die? America doesn't seem to THINK of such things. They only think of the hereNnow. Sad. When sooo much time is wasted on love making to someone foreign --- However, I've got something newNdifferent: www.blogger.com/profile/8790577 God bless you! Feliz navidad, brudda!

[When we die? I guess we'll find out whether the politican Constantine's committee of bishops had right or might on their side. --fl]

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 10:38.

I'm with you on the arbitrariness of a line between emotional and intellectual intimacy and physical intimacy.

Unlike you, I have little concern for the "social convention" of monogomy. I don't hide it from the world, but I don't announce it either. I just know most people won't understand. I do allude at it on my blog occasionally, and in comments from time to time.

[I'm noticed your allusions, A, but never been sure enough to come to a conclusion. That's a good thing, actually, since no matter what guidelines we go by it's best to treat each individual you meet as, well, an individual. Thanks. --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 11:36.

Fascinating, FL.

I, too, am monogamous out of respect for my partner, and, to a lesser respect, because of social convention, though in an ideal world, I'd be in a more open arrangement. That does not mean, however, that I would engage in "casual" sex. Yes, sex is a form of communication, and an important one at that. I must trust and care for the person whom I open myself up to in that most vulnerable and deep of emotional states. Not to say that I haven't had "casual" sex, but that, now that I understand what it is to have communicative, emotionally-rich sex, I'd rather masturbate than give in to the hormonal distress of the casual.

["Hormonal distress" packs a lot of meaning into a nice short phrase. I think it's what drives the whole "girls/boys get prettier at closing time" phenomenon, which is too often followed by the "walk of shame" phenomenon the next morning. If I were to turn this into a Food Issue post I'd include the reminder that it's never a good idea to grocery shop when you're hungry because then, too, you wind up getting things you don't really need and may not be good for you. Back when I was dating I'd always masturbate before I went out. That way I felt more confident that if we had sex it was because I wanted to have it with my date rather than just wanting it *period.* Thanks, Edgy Mama. --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 11:52.

(found you through Orange.) i think you've articulated (or lynn has) my recent dissatisfaction with casual sex, the fact i want the sex i'm having to mean something. but while i want to be less casual i fear casual is all i'm able to pull off.

[Hi, Ding. I think one approach might be to reflect on the meaning of "mean something." I've been reading "The Ethical Slut" recently and keep trying to relate it to Hanna Arendt's social theory in "The Human Condition." I have no idea where it's going to come out. I feel pretty confident, though, that we've got a tendency to overload sex with more meaning than it can support. It comes out all wrong if I try to say "who we have relationships with matters more than who we have sex with" because it either sounds oxymoronic or maybe even just moronic. Still, to steal Edgy Mama's phrase, we seem to create a disproportionate social stresses in the process of trying to resolve hormonal ones. Thanks. --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 14:52.

" Back when I was dating I'd always masturbate before I went out. That way I felt more confident that if we had sex it was because I wanted to have it with my date rather than just wanting it *period.* "

You are a god of a man. The example others should reach for.

[Oh hush, I am not! Thanks for the very kind words, though, T.W. --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 18:00.

Well yes, sex is communication, but I wouldn't get too excited about that, because practically everything we humans do with each other is communication!

As Lynn described, if the communication is "unfriendly" the sex is probably going to suck, but that also applies to a lot of other activities besides sex. Yes, sex is particularly intimate, but remember that there are other kinds of intimacy as well, both in relationships and specific encounters.

My own experience with the Neo-Pagan movement introduced me to some of those. One of the more important things I learned, was that it's not the sex that makes you vulnerable to being hurt, it's the intimacy. Sexually or otherwise, it's wise to be cautious who you open up to....

[Thanks, David. --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 22:06.

What you say about masturbating before going out on a date reminds me of a certain scene in "There's Something About Mary." :-) I do think it's a good idea, though.

[Will anyone respect me if I say I've never seen it? At least I don't think I have. Which may amount to the same thing. :-) --fl]

Submitted by 360 (not verified) on Wed, 2005-12-28 22:52.

There's an old joke; What is a four-letter word for "intercourse" that ends in "K"?

The answer, of course, is "talk".

Of COURSE sex is primarily for communication. The problem is, what's the message that we're sending?

Sometimes we're sending the message "I want to make you happy", and sometimes the message is "I want to make ME happy." English, for all its defects as a medium for communication, is at least more reliable than that!

[Thanks, TR. --fl]

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