Ok, so early last summer, during the big radical-feminist/blowjob kerfuffle, one thread of the argument said that, basically, radicals should be celibate or, if they just can’t give up sex, lesbians not because they’re not interested in men but in hopes that if all women would just go on strike like that then men would surrender and do… um… whatever it was they wanted. Like, um, stop trying to trade things for pussy, I guess… in exchange for pussy. Anyway, call that a Lysistrata-based use of women’s sexuality to advance a political agenda.
Then consider Lysistrata’s opposite, the “Quiverfull” fertility cult wherein (mainly) evangelical women attempt to stay as pregnant as possible in order to fulfill a Bible verse that goes “The fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one’s youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them.”
“Our bodies are meant to be a living sacrifice,” write [Quiverfull authors Rick and Jan] Hess. Or, as Mary Pride, in another of the movement’s founding texts, The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, puts it, “My body is not my own.” This rebuttal of the feminist health text Our Bodies, Ourselves is deliberate. Quiverfull women are more than mothers. They’re domestic warriors in the battle against what they see as forty years of destruction wrought by women’s liberation: contraception, women’s careers, abortion, divorce, homosexuality and child abuse, in that order.
Here too people are using either their own or other people’s sexuality as instruments. Have I ever mentioned that the only long-term-viable reason to have sex is because you want to have sex? Or that the only reason not to have sex is because you don’t want to? Having sex (or not having it) in order to get something else is, um, perverted.




Submitted by 1022 (not verified) on Tue, 2006-11-28 18:55.
What the fuck? ::
"They're domestic warriors in the battle against what they see as forty years of destruction wrought by women's liberation: contraception, women's careers, abortion, divorce, homosexuality and child abuse, in that order."
The above all existed LONG before the advent of ANY of the waves of feminism.
I recently went to a speech about the ERA. That all focuses some points she made about the antis. *Sigh* If you ask me, it's the "Quiverfull" types that are really wrecking things. But what do I know? I'm just a silly 3rd-wave feminist.
[Yup. Using your bodies to battle *for* something (the sexual revolution, racist "repopulation," whatever) is just as detached and alienating as using your body to battle *against* something (the Peloponesian war, to coerce partners.) This is not the same thing as saying "have sex whenever you feel like it" and definitely not "whenever possible." Instead it's saying that going against our own natures in order to coerce someone else is probably going to injure you more than it will them. There are more direct and less self-destructive ways to affect change. Thanks, Rae. --fl]
Submitted by 1022 (not verified) on Wed, 2006-11-29 15:09.
Figleaf:
I just appointed you to be the official poster man for the *Quivering Feminist Movement.* We need to provide a balance to the Uterine Produce Movement, aka Fruit of the Womb. (Please note that the lips pout nicely when pronouncing *quivering.*)
I am not denying that there can be a sublime pleasure when a woman knows she is pregnant and wants to be pregnant, even though morning sickness and lower back pain will want their share of the attention. But no one is morally obligated to bear children -- although I have had quite a few people, including acquaintances and strangers, tell me otherwise.
And for all the immorality attributed to abortion by its opponents, why won't they admit that it is immoral to bring a child into the world that you cannot support -- physically, emotionally or financially? What real adult would condemn themselves to being an poor parent to eight children when he/she could have have been good parent to two children?
Thank you for the explanation of the *quiverful* -- had seen the term but had not looked up the reference.
P.S. Is that a *slip of the tongue* at the very top of your photo?
[Thanks for the nomination, Kochanie. In the photo I'm afraid it's just the tip of my nose. --fl]
Submitted by 1022 (not verified) on Thu, 2006-11-30 05:16.
Hey! What about me? I am using my body to buy panties and some clothes. Does that count as perverted or normal? LOL
Love
BadWifey
[I think it depends a lot on whether you're doing it for your own enjoyment or just to make some kind of point. Though a better answer might be "would you rather think of yourself as normal or a pervert?" :-) Thanks, BW. --fl]