Two quotes from Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon First there’s Laura Ingraham who unloaded on football great Brett Favre who teared up when he announced his retirement.
“All these years, and I didn’t know there was a woman quarterback in the NFL.”
“Brett Favre…we’re watching this in the studio, obviously retiring from the NFL, great quarterback, handsome 38-year-old man, he gets up there and he does this press conference that was frankly one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen.”
“That’s a great message for young boys. ‘Get up there and act like a girl and start blubbering like a baby.”
And can we just send her a giant “eat shit?” Because who would know better what it really means to be a man than a quack talk-show host?
And here’s a more interesting quote, from Stephen Duckat’s The Wimp Factor (if you buy the book with that link it’ll be credited, appropriately, to Marcotte.)
... It suggests that being biologically male is not sufficient to confer or sustain masculinity. Instead, it must be asserted through repetition, words and actions. The everyday vocabulary and common-sense notions of gender remind us that in the majority of patriarchal cultures, the most important thing about being a man is not being a woman.
Do I need to restate the case that contrary to what aficionados of “masculinity” and “femininity” claim, the constructions of gender are almost entirely subtractive rather than additive? “Real men don’t cry.” (Though, obviously, real men do.) “It’s not feminine to cross your legs when you’re wearing a skirt.” Blah, blah, blah.
And sorry, saying “well, I’m mostly feminine but I fall asleep after sex like a man,” or “Well, Brett Favre’s 100% man but on top of that he does feminine things like crying too” just doesn’t work because you’ve still got all these scared, narrow little people who can’t make contributions of their own who use false distinctions like “a) crying is feminine” (and really I could just rest my case there couldn’t I?) and then go on to “b) Brett Favre cried” and then on to the technically logical but otherwise irrational conclusion that “c) Brett Favre is feminine” and therefore (by logically invalid extension) Favre is a woman.
“Being biologically male is insufficient to confer or sustain masculinity.” Huh. In other words, if there’s anything wrong with that picture it’s obviously masculinity and not men. (And no less obviously femininity and not women.)
I mean… doesn’t it just make more sense to say “some men never cry, others do” and just ditch the whole “he’s just a man but he’s not masculine? And “some women are interested in the way they look in dresses, other women aren’t” and dump the extra step of distinguishing “feminine” women from “regular” ones?
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Oh, and in yet another one of those small coincidences, while I was just out with my children for their evening romp at one of the local playgrounds (don’t ask) I ran across a line in Susan Bordo’s The Male Body: A New Look at Men in Public and in Privatethat, while I’m pulling it slightly out of context, proposes a different perspective on men’s tears as a, literally, “softer side” that succeeds without invoking gender at all.
Tears are permissible, even admirable, when they fill the eyes of an old warrior reminiscing about battle or a jock talking about his teammates. In such contexts, tears are like the soft penis after satisfying sex.
Again, while the point Bordo is working towards is almost contrary to the text of the quote, what really matters is that the text doesn’t need to ship in “otherness” as an explanation. And unlike Ingraham’s invocations Bordo’s version implies no mysterious insight into what it must be like to be a man. Instead she relies on what could be confirmed by aobservation. That’s pretty cool.




Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Mon, 2008-03-17 22:43.
All your eminently logical arguments and the innate foolishness of requiring people to constantly "prove" their gender aside... really, is there anything manlier than crying over football?
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Mon, 2008-03-17 23:19.
In the comments to Amanda's post, Mythago, makes a very insightful observation:
Regardless of the cause, Ingraham apparently thinks that bullying is a substitute of strength. The fact that so many people spoke up and disagreed with her is encouraging.
There is still hope.
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 07:30.
The "men don't cry" thing has gotten a lot more complicated over the past 20 years. You can see this in presidential behavior, for instance, which is a pretty good proxy for publicly-acceptable masculinity. If you think about both Bushes, they've shown emotion, including a few tears, at moments when the nation was at risk during the first Gulf War or after 9/11. More recently, Bush senior teared up while talking about how the *first* Gulf War was fought honorably. Clinton, of course, constantly got dewy-eyed at the sufferings of the common people.
The key distinction is that they never lost control. So on the one hand the public acceptability of presidential tears does represent a loosening of the rules of masculinity. On the other hand, this only works as long as the man still keeps his emotions in check. I don't recall exactly where Bordo says this bit about tears, but the key thing is that a) the man in question is an "old warrior," so his masculinity cred is solid, and b) tears fill his eyes, but they're not running in rivers down his cheeks.
I didn't see Brent Favre but I'm betting he wasn't just a little teary. Blubbering and sobbing still breaks the rules. You'd think a football hero would've proved his masculinity beyond any doubt, but maybe people like Ingraham get all pissy precisely because he's supposed to be a paragon.
Now, why people have such a big stake in enforcing those rules is another question. I do think insecurity plays a big role. But that would mean insecurity is pandemic.
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 11:33.
And can we just send her a giant "eat shit?"
Amen, Brother Figleaf!
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 12:01.
I think insecurity is pandemic, especially among men!
And if you're feeling insecure, someone secure enough to show vulnerability (e.g. by expressing emotion in an uncontrolled fashion) is a big threat.
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 14:21.
The ability of people to recognize the different types of tears is dropping. There is a world of difference between tears of relief, joy, passion, mourning or pain compared to tears of sulking, deception, guilt, and attention demands.
[Agreed. And for any one of those they're just as suitable (or not) for one sex as the other. Thanks, Adela. --fl]
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 15:10.
Agreed! Except I'm not sure men are all *that* more prone to this sort of anxiety. Sure, there are more dads than moms who have an issue with their sons playing with "girl" toys. But Laura Ingraham was a woman - last I checked - hmmm, maybe she's an imposter and this is all a smokescreen? :-) Seriously, countless women are heavily invested in the gender order. I think intolerance for ambiguity is pretty widespread and not strongly gendered, if at all.
[Oh I agree this is way more about Ingraham's opinion about what "real men" are supposed to be like than anything about actual men. Which, when you think about it, is about as fucked up as men making pronouncements about what's really "feminine" in women. In other words, "easy for them to say" since they have *no idea* what it's like to be a *real* man or a *real* woman. Thanks, Sungold. --fl]
Submitted by 2022 (not verified) on Wed, 2008-03-19 04:52.
You know, gender aside, emotion in all its variety is valid, when it doesn't negatively impact on others (and crying about football doesn't, in my opinion). It's bizarre that anyone, of either gender, feels a need to criticize that demonstration of emotion. I think that the questions surrounding Ingraham's inappropriate level of anger are more interesting than those surrounding the reasons why someone in the midst of huge life change might express unhappiness about it.
[Well, especially since Ingraham is just toadying up. Her opening her big yawp about whether an individual is masculine because he did or didn't do this or that is a lot like me saying someone wasn't "feminine" because she didn't have big enough hooters or a pierced navel or something. I mean, sure, we're all entitled to our opinions, but the problem with gender and other social constructs is they're *just* opinions. Brett Favre crying doesn't loosen her juices? Unless they're arranging to form a relationship she's just making a pointless observation that's, again, as if I said something just as coarse, rude, sexist, and irrelevant like "I wouldn't fuck her with Lee Habeeb's dick." Usually I'm not that rude though. Thanks, Marianne. --fl]