Sexist assumptions, evolutionary psychology and ovulating women's walks

Sat, 2007-11-17 00:37

Summary: It’s commonly assumed men’s orgasms make evolutionary sense but women’s don’t. I propose a counter hypothesis that’s at least as testable as the average evolutionary psychologists’... and makes men’s orgasms a byproduct.

Echidne Echidne of the Snakes asks one of the most relevant questions in contemporary pop science:

Is it the researchers of evolution who seem to be almost totally interested in only one topic: women’s bodies and how women walk or don’t walk and which types of women men might want to mate with? Or is it the popularizers who do this?

I’m not a zoologist, but the focus on women’s properties suggests that these researchers think men are the sex which does the choosing. Yet in most of the evolutionary psychology literature I’ve read the argument is that prehistoric women did the picking. Or is it whatever is most convenient?

Echidne’s permalinks are slow and I’ve nicked the whole post but if you’re patient you can read it in context here.

One obvious answer is that nobody studies men because men’s sexuality is supposedly a) almost universally believed to be “normal” against which women’s sexuality is supposedly “other,” b) that men’s sexuality is utterly uncomplicated, and c) that except maybe for premature ejaculation early on, impotence later in life, and a bizarre attraction to evolutionary-psychology that repels potential female partners men’s sexuality is utterly reliable. (That this isn’t actually true despite that near-universal agreement is a fascinating story in and of itself.) Thus, men aren’t studied because people assume they already have all the answers.

A second possibility: I studied a lot of history and philosophy of science in college with an emphasis on controversies in science and public perceptions of science. One short answer is that, sort of like natural selection itself, there are tens of thousands of papers, articles, and books published a year… and only the “interesting” ones tend to get picked up and passed along.

For what its worth they don’t even have to be current — if they’re nice and juicy they just keep coming back, sometimes year after year. In fact they don’t even have to be true! Last February, for instance, a bunch of concerned bloggers revisited a 2003 hoax report linking fellatio to reduced breast cancer risk.

The point being that we tend not to hear about good human ev-psych (assuming there is any!) because it’s almost guaranteed not to be “interesting.” Where interesting means “sexy,” or, even better, “controversial.”

Note: Bad or controversial memes (which is probably a more appropriate term) actually benefit from twice as much distribution — first from people titillated by it, then by those who deplore it… and, come to think of it, once again by those who debunk it!

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As with Ev-Psych the science in Science Fiction is often total junk science but it’s great social-theory fodder. Hannah Arendt made the interesting proposition that Science Fiction has merit for serious thinkers because it acts as a sort of “futures market” for what people believe they can look forward to. Sadly EvPsych is of somewhat less interest because it reveals only what people have believed for generations.

On the other hand, like other forms of fiction it’s a fun genre to play around with. And since I, no less than you, are just as qualified as any popular “authority” I enjoy making up my own theories that fit my own pet biases.

For instance: DrDick mentioned issues with large infant heads and birth canals. Someone else mentioned that real evolutionary behaviorists study animal models. In conversation with one (female) biologist I learned that in quite a few of the species associated with male iconography (bulls, stallions, elk, for instance, and also lions, dogs, and cats) male orgasm isn’t as big a deal, at all, as it is in humans. Instead the urge to copulate for both males and females is more like an itch and ejaculation more like a sneeze. If we anthropomorphize to animals we assume male moose “risk all” for the same mind-blowing orgasms men can experience… but! If other organisms are any indication male orgasms are completely unnecessary.

So! Assuming human male sexuality is the baseline not just for all humans but all male animals… is dead wrong. And if it’s dead wrong then you can ask well, so if whopper male orgasms aren’t necessary for reproduction (340,000,000 wildebeest can’t be wrong) then where do they come from?!?!

Now remember this is all might-as-well-be-conspiracy-theory speculation (just like “real” EvPsych theorizing) but! Back to those big heads and birth canals: when a baby’s head comes pounding through the pelvis the urethra is easily crushed against the underside of the pubic bone. Crushed urethra means serious risk of postpartum bladder rupture, which in turn means no survival to reproduce again. Turns out the large interior of the clitoris wraps around the urethra in just the right spot though.

Coincidence? Maybe. Sort of. Since evolution is not a plan but simply about what one survives, it’s possible that women with larger clitoral tissue right there didn’t have better sex for it but did have better postpartum survival. Boom. Selective pressure out and, considering survival rates, pretty intense selective pressure. The trick? Again, evolution isn’t a plan, and since genital tissue isn’t really specified by anything on the X chromosomes both female and male tissue might be bolstered. Now. One last time, evolution is not a plan.

Clitorises, like penises, are complex systems of nerve and erectile tissue. Genetically speaking the easiest way to grow more padding around the urethra would be to grow the whole shebang and that would include nerves… and nerve paths to the brain. With me so far? Here’s where the speculation game gets really fun: the clitoris gets bigger to mitigate damage by an infant’s skull but all that extra nervous tissue, along with pathways to the brain, might account for why men (who share that tissue) have such whopping, why-bother-it’s-so-obvious orgasm. And why women, unlike most other female mammals, can have bell-ringing orgasms as well. Yes, the capacity for gigantic orgasms could be selected for; no, the selection pressure could have nothing to do with sexual or mate selection. At all!

And yet… for reasons speculated upon in your post and other comments to it, that line of inquiry, which I propose lightly but not at all frivolously, will not be pursued by evolutionary psychologists because, unlike the genre of EvPsych as a whole, it does not buttress all the dominant paradigms about male class, privilege, dominance, and centrality.

Or in news items about them.

[Note: I previously speculation that men’s and women’s orgasms could be a side-effect of an entirely different kind of selective pressure in this post. Again I’m not saying it’s true but it does nicely illustrate the way real evolution with all its contingencies and expediencies work compared to the sort of deterministic/plan-for-everything way we tend to imagine. —fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 07:47.

Oy. I *think* I had a thought - until that photo popped up.

I'll try to patch it back together, even though it's decidedly unsexy: First, even though most animal models are completely inappropriate in studying human sexuality, bonobos are really interesting because, among other things, female bonobos apparently have orgasms. They also engage in face-to-face intercourse, kissing, and a few other things that we like to think of as "human." They have prominent clitorises and seem to have a lot of fun playing with them and using them to keep the peace. (There's a big colony of bonobos as the Columbus Zoo, so I've had a chance to watch them at length, and they really do spend most of their day in sporadic sexual activity.)

As for your idea, figleaf, about evolutionary pressure favoring internal clitoral development: I love the idea that the penis might just be the homologue of the clitoris. (Even if it's not true, it's a delicious turnaround.) If so, and if a large clitoris indeed emerged as a result of natural selection, this might explain why men's penises are so much larger than would be required for strictly reproductive purposes.

But bladder complications - devastating as they are - don't generally kill the woman. A bladder actually bursting would be pretty unusual. More common is severe distention (which can lead to urgency problems) and bladder prolapse (ditto, plus stress incontinence). In a state of nature, the most severe common complication of unrelieved obstructed labor is a fistula - a hole between the bladder and vagina that results due to the blood supply being cut off to those tissues for too long, with subsequent tissue death. Again, this isn't fatal, though it absolutely ends the woman's life as she knew it, leaving her unable to retain urine and rendering her a pariah in her community. Fistulas are quite rare in the developed world today, but all too common where nutrition and health care are poor.

Obstructed labor kills for other reasons: infections lead to sepsis, and uterine rupture results in hemorrhage. A nice plump internal clitoris - though lovely for other reasons - won't do a thing to protect against those complications.

Can we just go back to believing in intelligent design now? :-)

[Hey, what are you doing ruining my fantasy, cantchasee I'm trying to gettanutther research grant here? :-) I may have been over-extrapolating from my partner's experience with our two very large children, the first of whom really did mascerate her urethra on the way out. But I still maintain I'm no less wrong than the average sociobiologist. And I'm going to guarantee that normal evolutionary biologists who keep marveling that there's "no evolutionary purpose for female orgasms" are a) failing to ask why *men* do when by definition in the animal kingdom they're not necessary either and b) failing to examine other non-sexual contingencies where big orgasms for any or all of us might be an inessential byproduct of some non-sexual selective pressure. I favor adaptations for birth because infant head-size-related mortality in early and modern humans really is intense. And I stand by my point that as long as we've got this androcentric/male-baseline/what-me-worry attitude about sexuality scientists (being people) are going to have a harder time asking the right questions. Thanks, Sungold. --fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 13:39.

Oh, figleaf, you know the *last* thing I'd want to do is wreck any of your fantasies! And of course you're not just more right than the sociobiologists, you're also smarter (and sexier) than any dozen of them put together.

There's no question that the tolerances in human childbirth are really narrow and the line between a successful birth and a dead mother and child is really thin. (Odds are excellent that I would not have survived the birth of my first child - another big noggin - in another place or era. So I can empathize with your partner's experience.) And I fully agree that the evolutionary rationale for orgasm is just as puzzling for men as for women.

So, what if instead of viewing the problem in mechanical terms (cushioning of the pubic bone as protective) we look at it as a feedback loop? It would go something like this:

- Smart humanoids tend to have larger heads
- Smart humanoids are more likely to die in childbirth because their offspring also have larger heads
- Smart womanoids realize that sex might kill them
- Smart womanoids with mutation for mondo clitoral tissue decide that sex is enough fun that they'll risk it anyway.

I think it's an elegant idea because precisely our intelligence - the adaptation that selection ultimately favored - is what would have ensured continued reproduction of large skulls and large erectile zones in females. At the same time, it accounts for the fact that evolution selected for large human skulls at the price of high maternal and infant mortality.

Apply for that grant, figleaf, and I'll happily be your co-investigator; someone's gotta measure that erectile tissure, you know. ;-)

[I agree your solution is elegant but since it involves selecting for decision-making behavior the EvPsych people could get their hooks back into it. Not to mention the pre-modern belief that women can't control their libidos (which, as you know, is the opposite of what ev-psych assumes now.) So if I'm gonna write fiction (even projective "science" fiction) I'm gonna steer clear of their turf. :-) Thanks, Sungold. --fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 14:45.

Just joining in the discussion, without really taking it any further, but there are a couple of points I'd like to add.

A fistula may not kill the woman but she isn't going to be having any more babies, so the evolutionary effect is much the same.

Secondly, in the developing world, if a woman dies in childbirth, as is all too often the case, her baby is most unlikely to live beyond the age of about two years. So the smarter baby with the larger head is unlikely to survive either.

So, who has a third theory we can all shoot down in flames? :)

[Well, the third theory, one I'm actually not very comfortable with, is that evolutionarily speaking it's just blind luck all around that women have orgasms. Because androcentricity aside the clitoral complex just seems too sophisticated, well organized, and well-organised for it to be a fluke or "tag along" from just sharing natal tissue with men. If that were true then I'm just saying I think you'd see something more like it in other mammals. Thanks, A. --fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 14:47.

PS And, you know, I'm secretly in awe of anyone who can come up with theories of any sort - so I'm just jealous really:)

[Yes, but theories are only as good as the research that can back them up... and you continually astonish me with that, A. Thanks. --fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-17 21:01.

I think men's sexuality is more simple. A female knows how to please her guy as well as herself.

[Well, we *tell* you we're more simple, and believe it ourselves. And since, in a way, it's easier for most men to have premature ejaculations that makes us "simpler." But really if the goal is to get everybody off then that "simplicity" is actually sort of a complication. :-) That plus while one can get men off pretty easily it's actually just as easy to get quite a few women off... and as hard to get some men off via, say, oral or vaginal intercourse as it is to get the stereotypical women. "Narrative arcs" aside there's an awful lot of muddled middle ground. Thanks, Kate. --fl]

Submitted by 1757 (not verified) on Tue, 2007-11-20 18:22.

Kate, try to keep up with the rest of the class.

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Just stumbled on this blog. I like what I'm seeing so far. Have to read more!

[Hey no teasing. Well, it's ok to tease me, just not other commenters (any more than I'd let them tease you.) Thanks for your kind words, Anna. --fl]

One thing that people tend to

Submitted by Vicky (not verified) on Sun, 2009-12-13 12:03.

One thing that people tend to forget or gloss over, is that the female form is the default. So women, not men, should be seen as the baseline.

[Which is the point in my model hypothesis: what selective pressure on women might account for the fact that men’s orgasms appear to be unusually profound compared to much of the rest of the animal kingdom? I proposed it boils down to reproduction-related but not sexual selection: adaptations to survive passage of really large infant heads through the birth canal. In this case enlargement of clitoral tissue under the pubic bone to protect the urethra. Since the building blocks are shared men would benefit. And yeah, mine’s totally, totally just so too. But the measure shouldn’t be the absolute plausibility of the hypothesis, but how plausible relative to the standard EP guesses. Which, as you say, doggedly assume men and women are practically separate species in almost predator/prey relationship to each other. Thanks, Vicky. —fl]

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