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I really had planned to drop the Spitzer/prostitution business with the last post but Twisty Faster of I Blame The Patriarchy has come out of her semi-hiatus to weigh in with the usual predictably unpredictable twists. The latest?
If you’re thinking you’re gonna take me to school … about how “sex work” is noble and should be a legal, legitimate profession, la la la, read this first: at issue is not the objective act of boinking. Until you factor in patriarchy and its wacko concepts of property and gender, sex is just a thing, like eating a couple of Cheez-Its, or going to the movies. But in a patriarchy, all women belong to the sex class, and are defined in terms of men. Men, on the other hand, belong to the default human class, and get to define themselves (and everything else).
Most of the time you get the impression that heterosexual sex just squicks her but her point that thanks to the terms set by the dominant paradigm, outside of patriarchy sex would just be sex but getting outside of it is incredibly difficult. Ok, ok, she says it would be impossible and, thus, the impression that heterosexuality squicks her. (I would note, though that she sometimes implies patriarchy would exist if there were no men on earth so maybe “patriarchy” isn’t the best term.)
At any rate, having just spent waaayyy too long looking at the relatively small handful of straight male escort ads available on Google and having been frequently surprised by the sensible and level-headed support information on those sites, I’ve concluded that at least small-p patriarchal values have way more to do with why women aren’t at least as likely to hire male prostitutes as men are to hire women. Seriously.
And yet they/you don’t. Neither do men seem to often offer their services nor do women often seem to seek it. And yet by every common measure used to justify male prostitution — from “getting exactly what you want” to “paying them to go away” to “ensuring no entanglements” — it ought to be the other way around. I went virtual “globetrotting” last night on the hookup site for married people I mentioned the other day and I was struck how over and over married women in their 20s, 40’s, 60’s, and in between who seemed perfectly presentable were repeating variations on “I want more than a lifetime of sex in the missionary position,” and other lamentations of predictability, boredom, and interest not in escape but in safe, dependable, but erotic distraction. (And if there are married women should feel that way there are no doubt also single women who do as well.)
While every sentence that has ever been written about how men should communicate their wants and needs to their partners instead of visiting prostitutes is equally true of women and theirs, the fact remains that gazillions of people aren’t having those communications.** And yet something permits men to hire escorts in a way that women aren’t.
So, sorry, if it’s not about lack of means, method, or opportunity then there’s something else getting in the way. And I think Twisty, and Amanda Marcotte, and others have a point that the biggest thing getting in the way… what explains the male->female vs female->male imbalance… starts with “p” and ends with an “atriarchy.”
Anyway, you may not believe in it, nor do you have to, but if you believe in the legitimacy of sex work as a profession and, especially, as any kind of social good at all? You want to find a way to normalize sex-worker rights? And whether you believe in it or not I swear we as a society also need to start understanding, and dealing with, not the relative excess of male customers and female providers but the relative dearth of female customers and male providers.
I’d be delighted to have further conversations about this (although I’m a little burnt out on the topic just this moment.) But I’m pretty sure I could defend this position all day. If I had to. Which I don’t think I would because, the more you think about it the more interesting implications sift out. (Give yourself a week to get over some of your social conditioning about constructed gender stereotypes and when you come back it might start to look I’m making the case too timidly.)
[** Note: In her book Mating in Captivity: Unlocking Erotic IntelligenceRelationship therapist Esther Perel makes an excellent case for why we don’t communicate our sexual needs more easily in our long-term partnerships: for better or worse the exclusivity of our relationships leave us so invested — socially, emotionally, psychologically, reproductively, economically, domestically, and physically — that the boat-rocking risks of authentic vulnerability of authentic sexual need can become unaffordable. Pretty brilliant insight. Even better, Perel offers strategies for stabilizing relationships without compromising anyone’s integrity. —fl]




Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Sun, 2008-03-16 13:58.
I am not sure what you would call it, but I think disparity is because safety is formost in womens minds. Is this male escort for real or is it a ruse. Why this would be more so than any other connection (still a concern), may be because of the criminality in prostitution.
Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Sun, 2008-03-16 15:45.
I'm satisfied that the reason why there are so few female buyers of male sellers in the sex industry, is that the "sex class"/"no-sex class" paradigm insists that if a woman should want sex (Heaven forfend!), she is able to get it because any man is absolutely desperate for sex - she just as to pick one and make her approach. The idea that a woman might need to pay for sex probably never crosses most people's minds.
And that's a patriarchal thing, right there. The worthiness/reward scheme built into that paradigm also makes paying for sex a form of proof of worthiness, albeit perhaps not as worthy as if you are able to "pull" without it being a simple money-for-sex transaction. And men are supposed to prove themselves worthy, women are the arbiters of worthiness - therefore, it is okey for men to pay for it, but not for men to sell it (and by implication, for women to pay for it).
But this doesn't lead me to conclude that prostitution is an illegitimate trade that has to be stamped out, criminalised, etc (as Twisty appears to argue); just that, as with just about every other trade in our screwed-up patriarchal culture, it is at present affected by the dominant paradigm.
Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Sun, 2008-03-16 19:02.
Yeah, escorts ought to be as available to women as to men. But I can't help thinking that would almost be an end point in the dismantling of male privilege (a term I think is more useful than patriarchy, but that's a discussion for another day). At which point there'd likely be a lot less perceived "need" or desire for prostitutes, because in a more egalitarian world, relationships would not be so often viewed as a prize awarded to those who embody extreme beauty and worthiness.
If you're reading this, figleaf, you probably really ought to be working on your final project. :-) I'm about to disappear into final-exam grading purgatory for a few days, though I may not disappear from blogging entirely - it's one of the nicest forms of procrastination that I know. (Among non-erotic pastimes, that is.)
Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Sun, 2008-03-16 22:41.
SnowdropExplodes articulated what I was thinking was likely at least a factor, and a good thing, too, because my ability to articulate complex ideas went all to hell as soon as I saw that picture. Is it the highlights and shadows? The intimacy constructed by such a close shot? That Figleaf has sexy hands and sexy legs? Don't know, don't care, I just like it. Growf.
I'll also join the club of people who find the word "patriarchy" problematic (actually, I've been in it for years; I just didn't know there was a club).
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Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 01:43.
And with that quote (in a funny kind of way) Twisty has summed up EXACTLY the point of this whole issue.
And furthermore on the subject, everyone has very nicely avoided talking about forced sex slavery and the selling of women and children into prostitution which is a HUGE industry and which people continuously try to move away from when discussing prostitution in the western world. But the fact remains that they are related industries and that this still exists and not only exists but THRIVES says it all.
And as for the work and choice. I do support prostitutes having safe and legal houses however I also wonder about this choice thing. We're all talking about visiting prostitutes but is anyone actually recommending their daughter become one? I mean it's probably a better wage than teaching (and better conditions too! haha). And if not, why not? I mean seriously, if it's just a job and all, why not? If your daughter/best friend was one would you recommend all your friends go see her so they get "mates rates" or other deals like we do with accountants or people in other professions?
I don't think this is all about the stigma of the job either. A lot of jobs have stigma. The fact is maybe it's not 'just a job' and we can't look at it in those simplistic terms. There's a lot of other stuff going on in the way we see gender that affects prostitution.
Submitted by 2021 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-03-18 12:21.
One of the big planks in the argument for decriminalisation, is that it will tear away the veil that the illegality of the whole industry, places over the genuinely criminal behaviour of those involved in trafficking, forced sex slavery, paedophilia and the rest. I don't think I've seen any pro-decriminalisation commenter duck this issue.
It's interesting you bring out the "would you encourage your daughter...?" gambit, which ultimately depends upon the patriarchal notion of ownership of one's children.
Over on my own blog, I made a post comparing sex work to coal-mining. Very few people would recommend that their children become coal-miners, because it's a dirty, dangerous job (and however you dress it up, there will always be some risks and muckiness involved in the sex industry, just as there are in regular fucking). But at the same time, feeling shame over one's children being down a mine is unthinkable.
Equally, when you start talking about "mates' rates" and BS like that, you're not thinking it through - although sex work is a service industry, it's not a nice, cushy, office job. As I pointed out, it does involve some element of risk (for example, you wouldn't ask your miner daughter/son to go back down and do another shift just because your next door neighbour fancies having a live fire in the grate this evening). On the other hand, if my daughter (were I to have one) asked me specifically to go out and drum up some custom for her, then I would be happy to oblige (although again, with patriarchal attitudes about ownership of one's children and the attitudes you're supposed to have for them, if I were to hand out flyers for her to my mates, chances are said mates would hold me down and beat the shit out of me for doing so). But, basically: her life, her rules, her choice.
Except that at the moment, prostitution is illegal in most parts of the world. So I would disapprove of her breaking the law in this way, because of the huge risks that go along with that, including rape, murder, abuse by police officers, etc.
Your argument depends upon the conditions brought about by illegality of prostitution, as reasons why prostitution itself should be opposed (rather than the anti-prostitution laws).
The whole argument that
Submitted by Red (not verified) on Thu, 2010-02-11 16:32. The whole argument that people who oppose legal prostitution are just “grossed out by sex”, is pretty lame. The reality is that very, very few women or men would willingly become prostitutes. You don’t have to be particularly prudish or “anti-sex” or whatever to not want a job that involves having sex with six people a day. I suspect that there probably are some genuine cases of “happy hookers” in this world. But on the whole, I think they are a tiny, tiny minority. Even among those who are in the “better” situations. The idea that seeking work as a prostitute or seeking the services of one is some kind of human right, is outweighed by the historical experience that legalizing prostitution increases the amount of human trafficking, rather than decreases it as legalization advocates often claim.