Sorry, non-traditional morality trumps traditional immorality

Wed, 2007-11-07 00:30

Some time last Summer while I was getting excited about the genuinely great, and often hard-nosed advice the great sex-ed-for-young-people website Scarleteen.com, the anti-feminist author Wendy Shalit decided Scarleteen was sending all the wrong messages. (Meaning sending the wrong messages to young girls, of course, since in the world people like Shalit live in boys are evidently immune. Or expendable. But at any rate better left unreached because otherwise you couldn’t blame everything including their behavior on girls. But I digress….)

As her fellow anti-feminist Mona Charen columnist at the conservative Townhall.com put it in a review of Shalit’s Girls Gone Mild

Scarleteen offers a “sex readiness checklist” for young girls to help them gauge whether they should plunge into the fun. Among the items: “I see a doctor regularly,” and “I have a birth control budget of $50 per month.” The emotional readiness a girl should demonstrate is “I can separate love from sex.” Shalit notes, “Those who can separate love from sex are mature, like jaded adults. They are ready to embark on a lifetime of meaningless encounters.”

Charen said it here.

Here’s a link to the page in question: Ready or Not? The Scarleteen Sex Readiness Checklist. Let me know if you think Shalit, or Charen’s characterizations were accurate.

I know! Let’s make it a treasure hunt: How long does it take you to find those three bullet points on that page? And after you did find them would you consider them the most characteristic points on the page? Actually probably not.

In fact what you’d probably take away if, unlike Shalit or Charen, you’d read it would be that whereas Scareleteen is very non-judgmental about sex itself it’s actually pretty hard-assed about whether and when you’re ready to have it at all. Which, as we’ll see, is probably why Shalit didn’t pull somewhat different quotes instead.

How about:

Why do I want to do this?

If either of you wants to do it because you feel you must or should, because one of you is pressuring the other, you’re getting pressure from friends, or if you’re having troubles in your relationship and you think sex will fix it, stop right there; wake up and smell the double-latte. You’re completely off-base. Another thing to give you pause might be if you’re fantasizing about sex based on movies or television: remember how in Tom and Jerry cartoons, Tom could hit a wall and walk away from it just fine, and you knew that wouldn’t work in real life? Same goes with a lot of sex in movies and television; it isn’t often as it appears. Also, if you simply want to unburden yourself of your virginity with no one in particular, you might want to think again. In most studies, most women (and some men) who have handled it that way weren’t so jazzed about that choice later.

Op Cit. or some other fancy citation thingie.

Woah! Instead of telling girls “sex isn’t for you it’s for your husband” it tells boys and girls to question their motivations for having sex. (And, I might add, every word on that page just as valid after marriage as before! Since “a minister signed a piece of paper” doesn’t make you ready either if you weren’t ready before.)

And how about:

...there isn’t a statute of limitations on your sex life, and it doesn’t begin or end with intercourse. You can initiate any level of it at any time during your life, and change what you want to do as you go along, determining at any time what is best for you, and for your partner(s). If you haven’t checked almost all of the things on those lists, take a look at the ones you didn’t check and try and figure out what you need to do for yourself right now. There is no reason to set yourself up for a fall, or rush into something that won’t be enjoyable or rewarding, when it isn’t going to go away if you wait. Be honest with yourself, and above all else, do what is right for YOU.

Again, not telling girls not to let unworthy men take what’s rightfully their husbands, and therefore probably of zero interest to the “modesty” (a.k.a. pussy-bank trustee) obsessed Shalit. But, when you think about it, a far firmer exhortation to abstinence than conservatives are ever able to muster because for Scareleteen, and me (thus the blog title) virginity-ending intercourse inside or outside of marriage is just the beginning of what one should expect to be a long and enjoyable sex life.[*] Meanwhile conservatives, who see their job as sort of moral refrigerators struggling to keep “meat” from spoiling till it’s ready to be consumed, could give a flying fuck what happens to girls after they get lint on their lollypops (or, in conservative John Derbyshire’s case, hair.)

And another thing. Assuming they bothered to read it at all, the real clincher, the real red flag to conservatives and other anti-feminist women would be

Who do I want to do this for?

If it’s for you, and your partner as well as you, then that’s great. But if it is for someone else primarily, and not for yourself — or JUST for yourself — stop now. Other people, just like you, have hands and fingers. They know how to use them to get off, and you can rest assured they’ve been using them long before you came along. Sex with someone else shouldn’t be about self-gratification; that’s what masturbation is for. If your friends are saying you should, with no understanding of your relationship, or your own needs, they’re being crappy friends. Nine times out of ten, a lot of friends who pressure their friends to have sex do so because they don’t feel all that good about their own choices, and want to hide behind endorsing sex to make themselves feel better. Tell them to carry their own baggage, not try and pass it off on you.

Because with these people if you’re a woman there’s only one person you want to have sex for and that’s whatever man gets the contract. And because with these people if you’re a man then you don’t want to go thinking about anyone else’s feelings because then the system would fall apart.

And finally?

And not to grind it in or anything but let’s look at that one line both Shalit and Charen got all scandalized about: “I can separate love from sex.”

This is not an digression: You wanna know my favorite dirty joke? Ok, Question: what happened to the couple that couldn’t tell the difference between vaseline and window putty? Answer: Their windows fell out.

Now why do I love that joke? Because it’s only a dirty joke if you’ve got a dirty mind. And why is this not a digression? Because conservatives assumed Scarleteen meant can you avoid love and have sex anyway when it’s pretty clear from the context that the question instead is can you avoid confusing sex and love! Because, think about it, how many young people have included “but we’re in love…” when trying to explain what might have been an avoidable catastrophe to their parents? Again, for conservatives those catastrophes are important object lessons (just like recessions and depressions) and permit a sense of smug superiority to those who don’t get caught. So anyway, like my favorite joke, complaining about Scarleteen’s sex-vs.-love distinction indicates whether or not your mind’s in the gutter. (They might need a towel but don’t let them use your nice ones.)

Now there’s a reason I bring all this up, and that’s because around the time Shalit’s book came out I discovered that I’m practically neighbors with Heather Corinna, who runs Scarleteen. And because I was totally impressed with how hard Corinna works to make sure that young people grow up wisely and well so that they can have long, happy, non-fucked up adult sex lives I contacted her and we quickly became friends, fellow brainstormers, sympathizers, and weekly coffee buddies. Call that a disclaimer if you like, or a “full disclosure,” but just remember that it was her work that drew me to contact Corinna and not the other way around.

And anyway, because I was impressed with her work, and because from my background in instructional design for adults and curriculum design for children I know just how incredibly hard it really is to knit stuff like that together. And so when knuckleheads like Shalit go nutpicking minor points it ticks me off (just as it ticks me off when their counterparts go braying about how there’s too much emphasis on personal responsibility and too many warnings about predatory partners male or female.)

The bottom line, anyway, is that there’s more to real, responsible sex education than utterly ignoring one gender while exhorting the other to keep their knees together till their husband buys his license to pry them apart. No matter how terribly romantic that sounds to people with their minds in the gutter.

[*] Actually, of course, even for heterosexuals penis-in-vagina intercourse is only one of many sexual milestones. Millions of other perfectly sexual content people may never have it.

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-07 14:05.

I think you were very generous here. I myself would have settled for giving the whole bullet point:

"I can separate sex from love -- even when I love the person I am considering or having sex with -- and do not seek to have sex to use it to manipulate, control or influence myself, my partner, or anyone else, or to try and "earn" love."

And noting that every abstinence advocate everywhere is supposedly committed to the view that having sex is not a way to "earn" love. (Of course, they do seem to think that marriage is a way to "earn" sex, but that is a whole other post.)

[Bloody right that business about "earning" sex through marriage is a whole 'nother post. I know it's rather fashionable to pooh-pooh marriage in progressive circles but I actually take it pretty seriously. Call me a prudish libertine but marrying the wrong person just for sex is way, way, way worse than having sex with the right person with no wedding rings in sight. Thanks, E. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-07 17:09.

Funny thing - the "separate sex from love" point, I immediately paraphrased in my mind as follows:

"I do not see sex as a substitute for love"

But the thing about conservatives is that they need there to be something to conserve things against - so a *shock-horror-immoral-teens* website is just the thing.

[Nicely put. Thanks, SDE. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-11-07 18:51.

Separating love from sex isn't about being jaded--actually, it's kind of the opposite. What could be more pure ("moral", however you wanna put it) than being able to realize "I love him, but that doesn't mean I have to sleep with him"?

Until you can separate love from sex, you can't have pure love.

[*Exactly!* Except it's a total problem for hymen fetishists because for them once you're, say, married then you're supposed to have sex ready or not. ('Member you can get those things annulled if they're not "consummated.") And, considering the deep, deep traditions of marriage historically (and, in much of the world, even today) once you're married you're supposed to have sex whether you love each other or not. Bleah! Thanks, Holly. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Thu, 2007-11-08 11:04.

"Sex with someone else shouldn't be about self-gratification; that's what masturbation is for."

Brilliant!

I get a lot of men soliciting me on my blog for sex because I give off the image that I'm a slut. Trouble is, they just want to get their rocks off and don't understand when I don't take them up on their offer. Nothing is more of a turn off than to get a vibe from a guy that he's desperate to stick his dick in a hole. A better tactic would be to slowly and intelligently seduce me until I WANT such a thing and ask for it. For that matter, making me beg is even better.

[Yeah, I think a lot of women who blog about enjoying sex get hit with that sort of assumption. And that whole business about *wanting* to be slowly and intelligently seduced? Why is it the same guys who can patiently scratch thousands of lottery tickets with the side of a nickel are the same ones who get irked that they should have to put any effort into you? And while I know what you mean, even that "making you beg" thing is open for serious misinterpretation. Thanks, BK. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-09 04:39.

Scarleteen rocks. It has been incredibly useful to me.

[Yeah, it's pretty incredible. Thanks, Kirsten. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-09 12:34.

fl and TBK,

The flip-side of that is that their perception of themselves is often of a "no sex" class--never any, never enough, or women make it too hard with such a long-drawn-out approach phase. "Teasing" only works (in the experience of the average "no-sex-class" man) when the man is the sought-after party, via some extra-sexual leverage (or sexual, in the truly mind-blowing cases) and given the inherent disparity (the average man, it seems, wants the average woman much more than she desires him, else we would not have Pick-Up Artists telling their neophytes to approach 50 women in conversation a week and expect ONE positive response) your comment is going to be read as "Let them eat cake." Another reminder that indeed "Those who are/look hungry never get fed", and we're not yet even in the realm of considering what factors make for attraction, individual preferences, and sexual styles. Gross negligence in addressing one's potential partner, sure, (and Renegade Evolution has a great post on this @ www.feministcritics.org) but totally par for the course when you experience your sexuality as an ongoing train-wreck.

[Yup. The paradigm of women as the "no-sex" class, where men are supposed to do all the asking and women are actively discouraged (by other women and even men) from asking sets up that whole stupid 50/1 ask/answer ratio. And I've mentioned it before, and I've got another post brewing on it, but the downside of the 50/1 ratio is that for the guy looking at asking 50 people it's easy to forget that each person asked is a distinct individual and not likely to respond well to "quota" solicitations. (Factoid: there are evidently quite a few guys who send *photocopied* responses to every women who writes a classified ad. More efficient for him, sure, but how enthusiastic is she going to feel about it?) And, of course, when the shoe's on the other foot and you're expected to *field* 50 contacts from guys you're not interested in for every one you are, then yeah, it gets hard to take the next guy seriously too. The answer, however, is not to get better at finding more "interesting" ways to ask, or to attract more guys, but to do something else entirely. Thanks, Eurosabra. --fl]

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-11-10 08:56.

Yeah, well, as someone who has always lived in a situation of extremely scarce sex (raised in a fundamentalist religious community, then for lack of partners because of shyness and because I'd been raised in a community that produced quietist, pietistic non-masculine men and couldn't "perform" Standard Occidental Masculinity(tm), and now chronic illness, despite the relatively stable relationships I've had) I have a deep, deep interest in what that "something else" looks like. Especially since sex seems like the "acte gratuit par excellence", you just SHOW UP and DO IT, that is, nothing extraneous to the partners sparks attraction, which is itself irrational, and it serves to assuage a physical hunger. Totally self-justified self-contained act, apart from the world. (BTW, I think a support group for ex-fundies within the SC would be a hoot.)

So, yes, there's a tremendous amount of dehumanization/objectification involved in the performance of heterosexuality as done in our present-day culture, and the cutest and snarkiest reply to that (from Dave M., the online dating guru) was "make sure your template is unique!" Short of asking people to step away from their sexual desire, which isn't going to happen, you could ask them to put a little introspection into what they wanted in a partner, but that doesn't necessarily mean the on-paper ideal matches are going to want them, and it's not really going to help the people who can't perform their romantic gender-role adequately (which is what the SC is about.) And then of course you have the experience of the fat, the sick, the aged, the disabled, people whom the mainstream not only says it's inappropriate to be attracted to, but to whom the mainstream actively questions ANY attraction, i.e. accusations of fetishism. (Organisations like www.outsiders.org.uk are just addressing the tip of the iceberg of that problem and to be blunt, US Anglo-Saxon culture is even more unfriendly to those concerns than UK culture. It may be that as an Israeli I have more acquaintance with the experience of the young, recently-and-traumatically disabled, and my own relative ability privilege distorts my response as well.)

But, as always, your blog remains one of the most eye-opening on this topic, which is one that a lot of sex-, seduction-, and feminist-blogs pick at from a lot of different angles without the insights you raise.

[Thanks for your very kind words, Eurosabra. You really struck a chord when you said "I think a support group for ex-fundies within the SC would be a hoot." To be honest I think it would mean the world. Whereas there really isn't much about sexual scarcity in Judeo/Christian/Moslem scripture itself but something about the associated cultural traditions they arise from sure seems to exascerbate it. The offending passage seems to be "Covet not they neighbor's wife *nor house nor cattle ... nor anything that is thy neighbor's" since it strongly (though incorrectly) implies that *all* women are property. Much hilarity has not ensued. The trickiest part is that the current model really isn't 5,000 or even 2,000 years old. Based on something that old, yes, but the mere *emancipation* of women such that they could make these choices in (non-lower class) society is barely 100 years old and, if you look at older dating books like "Sex and the Single Man" from the 1960s, it's pretty clear people are compaining not about how hard life is but about how the move away from the "Seduction Community" isn't happening fast enough. For instance think about how in a 100% fundamentalist culture people don't go around worrying about apostates but as the numbers decline towards, say, 50% then out comes the inquisition, etc. Same for this SC business -- it's only emerged recently because it's *becoming obsolete* and so practitioners have to work harder to get marginal benefits. Weird huh? --fl

Submitted by 1738 (not verified) on Fri, 2007-11-16 14:02.

Thanks for the insight and info. I'll visit both these sites to see what I think about the usefullness of their information for girls. It's an important issue.

[Scarleteen is good stuff, for girls *and* boys. Keep me posted. Thanks, Tracee! --fl]

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