Sports bras, sports metaphors, and a question about male-centric sexuality

Sat, 2007-09-29 11:20

Ok, so from my perspective breasts are definitely very, very nice. The old adage “more than a handful is wasteful” is a bit of a canard not least because humans can learn to palm anything from a magician’s nickel to a basketball, but, again from my perspective, breasts of any size feel wonderful in my hands. They look wonderful too. And so, yet again from my perspective, it makes sense that after the “first base” of kissing I, like many men from my culture, would be drawn to their partner’s breasts as the next place, the “second base” to reach for.

But… but… here’s one funny thing about that. Breasts feel great to me, and for quite a few (but by no means all) women the hands of an even marginally clued-in man can feel very nice on their breasts. But in the baseball metaphor of getting to various “bases” with a partner we often completely blank out on the effectiveness of other, somehow non-“base” erogenous zones.

For instance thinking back on classic extended evenings with various partners (as best I can with my laptop suddenly suspiciously tippy in my lap… must be some kind of… um… lump under there) it sure seems like more partners have responded more aggressively to me when, say, I spend a lot of time kissing, licking, and even gently biting the sides of their necks and shoulders than when I’ve spent the same time kissing, licking, and stroking their breasts. (Come to think of it, I think more of my partners than not have been receptive to me lavishing attention on their breasts after first lavishing it on their necks and throats!) And yet convention allows women to bare their necks but requires you to cover your breasts!

So, again, I’m not saying that breasts aren’t erogenous zones. (Heh, duh, and other one-syllable retorts. Also men, of course have breasts) I’m just saying that in the objectively grand enough scheme of things I don’t know if they’re so much more erogenous than, say, the throat, forearms, the instep of the foot, of fingers, palms, wrists, or forearms, of the backs or insides of knees, of lower or upper inner thighs, or hips, lower bellies, or asses (to name some of the more obvious zones) to warrant it’s own metaphorical “base.”

But that’s not really exactly what this post is all about. It’s actually about sex in the post-Victorian, post-Title-9 world where women are no longer expected to, and no longer instructed to by institutions of church, state, and medicine, to lie passively back and “think of England.”

Anyway, when I think of the video pornography I’ve been looking at lately (I really only just started and I still vastly prefer text and still images) I’ve noticed a couple of things. First, in snippets that seem to be recorded by women who are sort of, I dunno, documenting what they do, women generally take off their pants to masturbate but very often don’t take off their tops. Meanwhile when they seem to be more intentionally performing for an audience of (presumably) men then the top often comes off before the pants, and breasts are given more time and attention. (And if I didn’t have one further point to get to I might stop here and ask whether you masturbate to “the bases” or cut straight to the chase. But I don’t want to stop yet.)

The other thing I’ve noticed from these various videos is how extraordinarily active sex seems to be — circularly influenced, I think, by industrial porn — compared to how most people I’ve seen having sex in real life. Not only are the men involved as rumpy-pumpy as ever, especially when above or behind their partners, but women too no not only rock, roll, and gyre but shake, shimmy, rattle, and grind in ways that put their generally (in porn anyway) unbound breasts in what looks like uncomfortably uncontrolled motion.

Which leaves me wondering if, left to one’s own devices, whether more women wouldn’t leave their bras on for intercourse rather than removing them as their partners, generally, would prefer. In other words would we see more sports bras during sex if we used fewer sports metaphors involving breasts as “second base?”

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Tue, 2007-10-02 07:05.

Wow, Fig, I wish more men were on your train of thought. My breasts have been big from day one of puberty and there are many many days when I wish I could just take them off and leave them on my dresser. They ache when I don't have a bra on, so a good nighttime bra is gold.

On the sexual side, I got tired of men always obsessing about my chest and ignoring the rest of me. When I became a mother, my breasts real purpose overshadowed any erotic connotations. I actually discouraged my partner from touching them while the kids were babies because I wanted to separate my mama persona from my sexy persona (not that I felt very sexy at that point). Now they don't have as much sensation, it seems, and I actually fantasize about the back of the neck nibbles, the feel of five o'clock shadow on my upper back and the day after love bite marks on my shoulders.

The short answer is; bra off during sex, on afterwards for sleep.

[Remind me to talk about that 5:00 shadow thing -- talk about some people loving and others hating something! Thanks, Kitty! --fl]

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-09-30 16:42.

Bra off, definitely.

I too go straight for the gold when masturbating.

But when it comes to sex, I want it all. I want to be kissed and touched everywhere - please don't skip straight to the breasts and whatever you do don't skip the breasts! My breasts are very sensitive to touch and kissing but, as you said, I'm even more sensitive and have even more pleasure if he spends time on my neck, ect. first.

[Ok, even I can admit when I recognize a trend. :-) Thanks, Holly! --fl]

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-09-30 11:34.

No, I wouldn't dream of leaving my bra on. I love to feel hands on my breasts and, if not already, that will turn me on almost straight away - but only someone else's hands, not my own. I do love to be kissed where my neck meets my shoulder but not quite to the same extent. The inside of my wrists too, but keep away from my feet!!

[That sounds wonderful, A. Thanks! --fl]

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-09-30 10:59.

I never really play with the rest of me when I masturbate. I pretty much go for the gold and call it there.

I have rather small breasts -- AA cup size. Briefly, while I was pregnant they grew to about B cups and I ended up hating it. Partly I just wasn't used to it, but in many ways they annoyed me. Now that I'm back to my AA size, I'm much happier. They don't bounce around or much of anything or get in the way or any of the myriad of things I see happen to people with bigger ones. Big ole titties bouncing around does not look comfy!

That being said, I have very little sensitivity in my nipples. I can't really feel them being touched unless it's pain and rough play (but oh my, that is sooo good).

A couple months ago I got my nipples pierced, and so far, their sensitivity has increased. I can actually feel a light touch now! And they seem more responsive to being touched. *grin* Very good! They're still healing, so no rough play yet.

Overall, though, touch is just good. I don't care where. Anywhere is good!! :D Actually it's kind of frustrating 'cause both of us want him to be able to play with my nipples and their new adornments more, but.. still healing.. grrr.

I never try to leave clothes on during sex unless they're there for kink reasons (getting mounted while in a short skirt is oh so hot for me.. such a kink!). I just adore the simple pleasure of skin on skin too much.

[Thanks for all that, Quilzas. --fl]

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Sat, 2007-09-29 13:39.

I can only speak for myself, but my bra would definitely come off! I have extremely sensitive and responsive breasts and their being kissed, sucked, nibbled, and even bitten is an essential part of sexual play for me. That said, I have been trying to convince my partner to not go there right off the bat. We only see each other once a month or so and he's anxious to get to "the good stuff," but I want him to slow down and spend more time on my neck/throat, arms, shoulders, and behind the ears (OMG you forgot behind the ears . . . mmmm).

When masturbating, I occasionally pinch my left nipple, but otherwise all the action is down below. Perhaps for me the response of my partner to my breasts is part of what makes it essential, so when I'm alone breast play doesn't matter so much? IDK

As an aside, are you aware that "Save Second Base" is one of the breast cancer awareness slogans? Your post reminded me of that, with BCA month coming up in October and all.

[Oh right! And I just added the deceptive-looking Feel your boobies to my blogroll. Thanks, Bunny. --fl]

Submitted by 1646 (not verified) on Sat, 2008-02-23 08:46.

I have large boobs, 30HH. When I go running I wear a regular bra with a sports bra over the top. They are heavy and if I run without extra support (for the bus, etc) it is quite uncomfortable.

However, when I'm having sex my breast movement isn't uncomfortable. I can be ridden vigorously from behind or be bouncing around on top and all I feel is real goooooood, so maybe it's psychological? Rest assured it doesn't stop me wriggling and writhing all over the place :)

They're very sensitive (I can have an orgasm simply through breastplay) but, in reference to your 'neck, shoulders' attention my breasts are more responsive if my clavicles, neck etc have been stimulated. It'd almost as though they need warming up, or teasing a little as my partner pays attention to areas of my chest other than my boobs.

[Hey Virago. I think that sensitivity thing works all sorts of ways. Like when we're more ticklish when we're nervous than when we're relaxed. And at least for me, my chest isn't ordinarily sensitive at all until it's activated (now that I think about it!) the same way, with lots of warm-up attention paid to nearby areas first. Thanks. --fl]

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