When gas, ass and grass is greener (with envy) on the other side

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Mon, 2006-07-31 16:12

Charming article this weekend in the Seattle Times by the Associated Press’s Kathy Ritchie called The Catty Syndrome.

...As I got off the train, I remember thinking, “Yeah, she has fabulous hair. But she doesn’t have it all. Her butt and her thighs are way bigger than mine.”

When I first started pondering the meaning of “chick-hater,” it occurred to me that while most women may not fit the textbook definition — feeling threatened or simply flat-out hating another woman based on her beauty, career or relationships — we may be engaging in something that is just as insidious: chick-hating-lite.

“I don’t think there’s anyone out there who hasn’t had a negative feeling about another woman,” says Elizabeth McDaniel, a therapist in New York. “You’d be lying to yourself if you didn’t acknowledge that.”

When I ask McDaniel about my chick-hating episodes (yes, there have been several), she tells me that, for some women, self-doubt can translate to self-hate — that women manifest their insecurities into anger toward other females. When I prod her further, she suspects that, despite my insecurities, the fact that I know who I am and who my friends are may make me a chick-hater with half the calories than a regular one.

As I would soon discover, this is all only part of a larger problem among us sisters.

Read the whole thing here.

Ritchie places herself squarely in the Patriarch’s Lady’s Auxiliary by attempting to place the blame for “cattiness” squarely outside women’s control: on men.

“Women don’t have real authority to direct their anger against men,” McDaniel tells me. “Directing our anger against other women undercuts our power — we aren’t cohesive.”

...

So what gives? Why are so many women essentially anti-woman?

As I thought about it more, I began to think about women who have clashed with other women over what essentially boils down to power — who is in control of the situation.

Think Elizabeth Taylor and Debbie Reynolds. Princess Diana and Camilla Parker Bowles. Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston. And my personal favorite, Cinderella and her wicked stepmother?

“Psychically, it’s clearly insecurity,” McDaniel says. “This culture doesn’t want women to be empowered. ... By creating conflict between women, you certainly keep them in their place. If you fight amongst yourselves, if you are so broken up and can’t unite, you’re certainly not going to be able to pose any threat to the majority.”

Translation: We live in a world still very much dominated by men, and society praises women who can’t sustain relationships with other women…

Note: Even if both clauses of the last sentence were true it would still be a non sequitur. (And speaking of clauses, we could reverse the two and see what kind of unrelated-but-implied causality emerged: “Society praises women who can’t sustain relationships with other women, and we live in a world still very much dominated by men!”)

I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe that society praises women who cat out. Or if it does it’s not orchestrated by men and I wish people like Ritchie would leave men out of it not because men aren’t responsible for all sorts of inequities. Goodness knows we are, whether intentionally or unintentionally! Instead it’s because men aren’t responsible for people like Ritchie’s and McDaniel’s choices to construct themselves as helplessly competitive, and men sure as hell aren’t responsible for Ritchie and McDaniel’s decision to try and persuade other women that cattiness is, in fact, out of their control.

...And one needs only to walk past a newsstand to see exactly what McDaniel means.

Everywhere we look, there are the big, bold cover lines on celebrity magazines: “Angelina vs. Jen.” “Paris vs. Nicole.” Rarely do we hear about the men fighting it out — I certainly don’t recall seeing Brad Pitt and Vince Vaughn grace the cover of a weekly with a headline that read, “Brad vs. Vince: it’s on!” Apparently, two dudes fighting it out simply isn’t as hot as A-list chick-haters.

Of course, it’s easy to point the finger at the men. But women participate, too: They buy the magazines, dish about the stories, participate in the scurrilousness.

But Ritchie isn’t pointing “the finger at the men.” She’s waving a big red cape and shouting “Toro, Toro! ol&eacu;!” The wise bull ignores the cape and goes for the matador.

But I digress…

This is all actually about a post by O of Eros, Logos about why women (and, I’d argue many men) blog about sex.

Those are some personal reasons for me to blog anonymously. Here are the political, that apply to us all:

My anonymity means that I am like that girl you fuck from behind, the girl whose face you never see.
Who am I? I’m one of many, many women.

I could be the girl next door.
I could be your ex-girlfriend; I could be your best friend.
I could be your doctor.
I could be your librarian.
Maybe I’m your sister; maybe I’m your co-worker.

Or maybe I’m your wife.

I could be any woman; and this forces the reader to realise that I could be speaking for every woman. Maybe you read us and think we’re an aberration; maybe it makes some (men, especially) more comfortable to think that. That way the spectacle of female desire can be ignored or dismissed.

See O’s whole excellent post here.

Wow that just totally resonates for me — I think it’s one of the best reasons to blog anonymously.

But then in response an anonymous commenter says

I won’t presume to speak for your female fans, who are obviously legion, based on other posts. Clearly you are appreciated by boys and girls, men and women, and probably many in between. But I’ll try to speak about the women who might read you but who might not feel that you speak for them.

(I think there are probably many women who do read you and think, “Ah, this is me, these are the thoughts that I would speak if I had the courage to speak them.”) And then there are some women who read you and think, “Oh please. Who the hell does she think she is?” There are probably lots of women who flip back and forth between these two positions.

One might say of the women who take the latter position, “Oh, how sad. Insecure women who can’t handle the spectacle of O’s intense and beautiful sexuality.” There’d be more than a grain of the proverbial truth in such saying. Yet I can’t help but wonder if it doesn’t go beyond the simple jealousy of the plain girl that the boys never look at for the girl who is visible, and thus alive. It might make you feel good to write it off that way (and I realize that I’m being presumptuous in using that “you”) as indeed it makes me feel good to say, “Who the hell does she think she is?” But beyond these reflexes, perhaps inscribed in us by a (dare I say it?) patriarchy that makes male attention the coin in which female power must circulate, I wonder if there isn’t some sort of utopian space in which plain girls and pretty girls could get together and talk without it being about who’s more luscious to the boys.

At least, I’d like to think so. But in order for that to happen, we’d all have to stop being threatened by me. I’d have to stop being threatened by your sexuality, and you’d have to stop…wait, you’re not threatened by the women who don’t want to be your friend, are you? Does it matter to you one way or the other?

And there I think we have it?

A.a.a.a.n.n.n.d while both Ritchie’s reaction to the fair-haired stranger, or O’s anonymous commenter’s remarks are sort of outside my preview (in the sense that I dispute that only — or even especially — women feel that way) I do feel comfortable talking about self-esteem in general and to that…

Boy oh boy do we set ourselves up for failure! And here’s now we usually do it:

We cast our gaze upon someone else (or someone else’s text or other artifacts) and see that they are taller or more athletic or wittier or wealthier or healthier or wiser or more fashionable or a “better” age than we. And in order to measure up we must be taller and more athletic and wittier and wealthier and healthier and wiser and more fashionable and a better age. And if we’re not, we tell ourselves we’re just complete losers.

And no, Ritchie and Anonymous’s protestations to the contrary, this trait is linked to humanity, not gender.

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Mon, 2006-07-31 17:00.

Thank goodness for that last line. I was afraid you weren't going to go there!

People putting others down to mask their own insecurities is a behavior practiced by both genders; yet, for men, it's never given a nickname like it is for women.

The term "catty" is very problematic. It's used belittilingly, and only for women (or occasionally gay men, if the implication is they're "uber femme"--hence, still it's woman-based). The implication of the term is a lot of spitting and hissing with no real "fight" or legitimacy behind the attack.

And while that definition may be apt for situations where someone puts another down based on her own insecurities, the term is applied to women innappropriately in a number of other contexts, as well--ones in which women show legitimate distate for or anger towards other women who have mistreated them, as well as for women who are competitive against other women in the workplace or other arenas.

When a man is competetive against another man (within reasonable bounds), he is generally applauded for being "ballsy." If he speaks his mind about someone he legitimately has a beef with, no one ever belittles his anger as being just bitchiness.

Whereas, women's righteous anger or competitive spirit can be stepped on and delegitimized by throwing the "catty" term at her. Then she has to spend her energy convincing others she's not catty instead of concentrating on standing by her convictions.

[Thank you, Syl! I'm really touched by your point that righteous anger and competition can be put down with accusations of cattiness (incidentally I can't believe my spell-checker recognizes the word) but more often it's used to put down, well, cattiness! What really drained my cask about Ritchie's article was her strong implication that men are the only ones making the accusation when in fact, as she says more directly herself, *she's* a participant. And the real problem with that kind of pettiness (a more accurate, gender-neutral term) is that, like sarcasm and resignation, it *creates* as much powerlessness as it reveals. In other words, the question isn't whether we wind up in powerless situations, it's whether we participate in putting or keeping ourselves in it with no external intervention required. --fl]

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Tue, 2006-08-01 11:41.

True enough--I think women use the term, too, though I'm willing to bet they didn't invent it. I've also heard women use terms like "bitch slap" and call other women "cows," etc. Many women are (sadly) invested in adopting the very mysogynistic terms men use against women as a way to disassociate *themselves* from the term (if I call *her* a cow, I can't possibly be one). Clearly, they don't recognize the damage they create to themselves and all women by doing that.

Of course, as you say, the gender-belittling behavior itself is far more problematic than the terminology. However, I'd have to disagree that people primarily apply the term "catty" only to instances of unfounded, belittling woman-vs-woman comments. I hear it quite often used in the other ways I've described; often jokingly rather than accusingly, but regardless it has the same diminishing effect toward valid but "unpretty" emotions or behaviors women might choose to display.

[You're right, Syl, and I should have stuck to my main point that pettiness is always a more appropriate word. And not only because it's un-gendered but because it's way more difficult to credibly brand something like objecting to wage discrimination as "petty" whereas someone might otherwise try to get away with calling it "catty." Thanks. --fl]

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Tue, 2006-08-01 13:30.

Having finished a series of posts on gender I figured I was done with it but I couldn't resist reading this.

Not that I have anything very insightful to say about it all.

Over the decades I haven't really known women who seem like this at all. They are persons with female bodies. They earn their living, have love affairs with men and never seem to be trapped by socialization or gender role expectations.

[Having worked in extremely heterogenious environments I have known women like that, who subject themselves and other women (whether they care to participate or not) but never men to greviously petty competitions. But here's the thing. It's not necessary to participate! It's *absolutely* not necessary in order to succeed in life. And by and large the more feminist awareness one develops (regardless of one's gender) the less one tends to be drawn in and, therefore, the more headway one is able to make in the world. Which is why I have such a flipping hard time with articles by people like Ritchie. Thanks, Richard. --fl]

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Tue, 2006-08-01 14:00.

I agree that envy is genderless, but I think whatever imposed monogamy, when women had to chose, caused women to enter into an unnatural type of competition to find that one mate. There always seem to be less men, because of war, disease, birth rate and of course the occurance of the alpha male.

Now the media influences the reaction. I know sometimes it bugs me to constantly look at women who are younger, more shapely, have better skin and seem to have it all. It is a constant reminder of who you are not. It's even more imtimidating if there is no one to say anything positive about you.

[The one place I'll grant Ritchie's point that women are powerless and therefore in more bitter competition is inside the tradition that women must wait (or believe they must wait) to be asked for a date, or for "her hand in marriage." To want, and to have the power to ask, but to constrain one's self not to, creates conditions of absolutely unnatural competition. I'm noticing more evidence that the tradition is in decline, but I acknowledge that it's not going to die easily because there's so much more tradition backing it up. Thanks, 5o9. --fl]

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Wed, 2006-08-02 15:45.

Hi Figleaf,

I'm so glad you liked my post; thank you so much for linking it and for these thoughts on female competition. That subject certainly needs a post of its own. Some quick points for now:
I absolutely agree with Miss Syl's point, that accusations of cattiness or whatever are often used as another weapon in the eternal struggle to belittle or minimize women's genuine and justified anger. And Five of nine is surely right also, though I would extend her point: it's not simply about monogamy and so on. The fact is that society still very much tells women that their value is as object: their status is dependent upon their desirability to/attachment to men, and such power as women have has often only been the result of the men they are attached to. This is changing, of course. But not quickly enough, and it is not simply a matter of perceived power that I'm talking about here, but also economic power.

That is the real situation that fosters unhealthy competition among women: it's not simply about women taking the initative to ask men out.

kisses
O

["...society still very much tells women..." Yes, but *who is society?* Unless "society" is all men then people like Kathy Ritchie aren't just passively but *actively* perpetuating patriarchy by claiming otherwise. What I heard her saying was that *she* as a member of society -- more than you, more than me, probably more than most men -- discriminates against other strangers with shinier hair (object) or better jobs (being other than an object.) Thanks, O. --fl]

Submitted by 848 (not verified) on Fri, 2006-08-11 16:30.

In re: Insecurity

"And no, Ritchie and Anonymous's protestations to the contrary, this trait is linked to humanity, not gender."

I was the anonymous poster you quoted, and I don't think that insecurity or pettiness are unique to women or people who choose to identify as women. I'm not really sure I said anything like that, either. What I did say was that not every woman who reads O (of whom I'm quite fond in my own way) is going to say, "Ah, she speaks for me," because she's writing about an experience of being powerfully desired *as well as* voicing powerful desires, and unfortunately, some of us just don't have the experience of being desired much in our lives. Men DO have the experience of feeling rejected, feeling lonely, feeling unattractive--I know that--but that topic wasn't what was at stake in O's post or my comment.

Just wanted to clarify a little...thanks for an insightful discussion.

[First of all, thanks for visiting, Anonymous, and thanks for taking the time to clarify. I totally get it, totally get what you mean when you say she doesn't speak to everyone's experience. Thanks again. I appreciate it. --fl]

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